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Nagaraj

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Re: Ramana Maharshi About Social Service
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2010, 08:11:14 AM »
Dear I,

Yes, the enquiry as to who am 'I' to whom these thoughts are arising has to be carried out. Once there is a recognition of delusion, it is a (progress) made, recognition of such a delusion is tremendous grace in itself.

Salutations to Sri Ramana
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

Subramanian.R

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Re: Ramana Maharshi About Social Service
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2010, 11:27:32 AM »
Dear Sadhak, 

Running a Veda Patasala is not a social reform.  In fact, He just permitted
it and the running expenses and selection of the teachers were done by
Major Chadwick and Chinnaswami.

Bhagavan Ramana has also said that social reforms like Harijan entry
into the temples and removal of caste systems would not bear fruit and if
they succeed, the same would not serve the real purpose but would
result in different distinctions within the temples and different classes
of societies.

Today in Arunachaleswara Temple, you will see that there are dharma
darsanam, free entry, and darsanam for money, some payment.  Further,
with all these, if suddenly one Minister or MLA comes to the temple,
all queues are stopped and even Unnamulai's bathing time is postponed
for a VVIP darsan.  The Tirupati queue business is known to everyone.

Regarding castes, have we really achieved class-less society?  Today,
we have got new class distinctions, an IT worker, who earns in 6 figure
salary in India, a bank officer who earns 5 figure salary and a government
school teacher whose salary is not paid for the past six months, because
the govt has no money! 

The President of India has gone on record saying that the prices have
gone up, because the purchasing power of an Indian has gone up?
Which Indian is this, that she is referring to?  A school teacher, a govt
office peon or a traffic policeman?  I think I should read my Milton
Friedman once again.

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: Ramana Maharshi About Social Service
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2010, 01:34:34 PM »
Dear Subramanian,

I was responding to the statement that a jnani must only do Atma vichara and nothing else. Bhagawan clearly gave his approval to the Veda Patasala and I know of at least one person who was also hired to be an ashram priest during Bhagawan's period as soon as he completed his training in the Patasala. So Bhagawan did more than only Atma Vichara. His admission of women in the ashram was also seen as a radical reform by some people (ajnanis), although he did not think along those lines.

It is fundamentally absurd to impose hard and fast rules on what a jnani must or must not do. Anybody who does that is totally wrong. That was the only point.

In the same vein, judging a jnani's action by whether it bears fruit in the eyes of the ajnani is also wrong. By this measure, the actions of the Buddha in creating sanghas, Sankara creating mats, and even the disciples selected by Jesus himself (one of whom identified him and another who denied Jesus as soon as he was crucified) will all appear faulty to ajnanis. The truth is known to the jnanis only.

I have no disagreement with the other issues of caste etc but I was not responding about them.

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Re: Ramana Maharshi About Social Service
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2010, 10:03:42 AM »
Dear Sadhak,

I agree with you. 

Arunachala Siva.