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Re: Seeker-Goal
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2010, 07:56:43 PM »
Ramanaduli Garu,

Guru Ramana says,

Though nearer to pure consciousness, deep sleep is not fit for efforts to realize the Self because effort is impossible in deep sleep.

Secondly it cannot be the state of bliss in which the jnani is, for his state is permanent and not alternating.

So Ramana Maharshi clearly Says Mukti Has To Be Gained In Full Awareness i.e Waking State.

Devotee :- I suppose efforts have to be made in the waking state, which implies that moksha can be gained only in jagrat.

Bhagavan. Quite so, awareness is necessary for mind control; otherwise who is to make the effort? You cannot make it in sleep or under the influence of drugs. Also mukti has to be gained in full awareness, because the Reality itself is pure awareness.

Though waking and dream are same but mukti can be attained only in waking state.
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Re: Seeker-Goal
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2010, 09:36:52 AM »

Dear Ramanaduli,

Deep sleep state is not a state of emptiness, [which Dr. Raju
empahasized], it is only a state where the mind is in suspended
animation.   The real state of emptiness is the thoughtless, egoless
state, for which the mind, which is the mother of thoughts should
also be absent.  This is possible for working out, only in our
wakeful state. 

Arunachala Siva.


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Re: Seeker-Goal
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2010, 10:49:05 AM »
How much so ever we may try to understand the state of (sleep) we fail at it, simply because, it is only in this waking state that we TRY to understand the state of (sleep) - it is false, and only full of ideas and imagination.

What cannot be known or understood, we should leave them as they are. Its like this, Can we ever try to straighten the tail of a dog?

Post thoughts -

- To truly know the (state) of sleep, shouldn't we check it during sleep?
- But where was 'I' during sleep? where did 'I' go away?

There is no point in seeking to enquire this; But

- Here 'I' am now, the 'I' who is trying to grasp the (state) of sleep, Who am 'I' ?

Salutations to Sri Ramana
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta