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Seeker-Goal
« on: August 19, 2008, 11:57:43 AM »
Is it true that we ourselves are the goal that we seek?
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 04:11:48 PM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju and srkudai.  Nice question.  Nice Zen story.
We are the goal, the path and the traveller in the Self.-enquiry.
All become goal at the end.  As T.S. Eliot said:  "There will be time,
there will be time, when everything looks alike." "I have measured
my life in coffee-spoons!"

Arunachala Siva.   

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 10:43:36 AM »
YES.

WE FORGET OUR REALITY IN PURSUIT OF WORDLY PLEASURE
KANNAN MEERA SANKAR

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2008, 10:52:59 AM »
Dear Sankar, Yes.  Forgetfullness is a sin, as pointed out by
Viveka Choodamani.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2008, 10:57:40 AM »
Dear Sankar, Yes.  Forgetfullness is a sin, as pointed out by
Viveka Choodamani.

Arunachala Siva.

YES. IT IS A SIN; AS I AM KILLING MYSELF IN FORGETFULLNESS. LET ME SAVE SELF BY NOT FORGETTING ME BY THE GRACE OF ENQUIRY.

THANKS

SIVA SIVA ARUNACHALASIVA
KANNAN MEERA SANKAR

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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2008, 12:20:53 PM »
:) All goals being mental --- there is no where to reach. Mentally motion is possible. Physically motion is possible. for the Self, where is the question of motion? It alone being, where does it move and from where ? It being beyond time there is no seeking, no goal etc. The mind can continue seeking, the body can continue moving--- the Self just IS.

There is a Zen story:
The laughing buddha was a zen monk who used to distrubute sweets to children. he used to carry a bag full of sweets. Some one went to him and asked, sir "what is Self realization?" he simply dropped the bag he was carrying [meaning to see oneself as totally actionless] and then he asked how would one live after self realization , he simply took the bag and went along ! [meaning, having known the self as motionless, let things be as they are... nothing has to be done in particular].

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Dear srkudai,
                 The zen story is significant.Leaving the bag is symbolic of state of enlightenment.
                  Taking the bag again is symbolic of state "Beyond enlightenment".
                   Creating a goal is a trick of the mind to elude us from positing in the self.
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2008, 02:41:24 PM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju and srkudai,  Nice exchange of ideas.  "We
are all such stuff as dreams are made on and our little life is rounded
with a sleep."   There is a story about Kaduveli Siddhar, a Brahma
Jnani.  The King wanted to test him and sent a courtesan to attract
him.  The lady won the battle,  Kaduveli Siddhar married her, begot
a kid and was looking after the kid, whenever the lady went for
a dancing job.  She told the King also about her victory over the
Siddhar.  One day, when she was away, the baby cried for milk,
and the Siddhar ran to the King's court to give the baby to the
lady, who was dancing.  Everyone was laughing at the Siddhar.
"See here is a man who is said to be a Brahma Jnani but had a
baby through illicit relationship.".  The lady was dancing, and
suddenly her anklet got snapped and she was bending to set it
right.  The Siddhar said, "I shall set right the anklet, and meantime,
you feed the baby."  The King roaring with laugher asked the
Siddhar, "Are you a Brahma Jnani, still?"  Then the Siddhar
said pointing to a stout pillar in the hall,  " Oh Pillar!  If you
are the Brahman and I am a Brahma Jnani, please open up
and consume me!".  The pillar opened up, the Siddhar went into
the pillar and the pillar got closed as before!     
 

Dear 'kudai',   Ultimately, the bhavana that comes out of faith,
is a great thing in our path for self enquiry. 

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2008, 04:56:22 PM »
Dear subramanian,
                        Thanks for nice story of kaduveli siddhar which increases our conviction of "I AM THE SELF-AWARENESS".
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2008, 07:18:23 PM »
Dear srkudai,  Yes, all paths lead to the Ramana Way.  He had
no quarrel with any other paths.  When Aurobindo said that
there is a Super Mind, which is beyond mind, Bhagavan said:
there are no two minds, but only one mind and only vasanas
are many.  But He permitted certain devotees to go to Aurobindo
to puruse the path most suited to them.

Arunachala Siva. 

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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2008, 09:22:50 PM »
  Forgetfullness is a sin

Dear Subramanian.R,

There are no "sins" -- predestined incidents only. Forgrtfulness is also predestined, as well as rememberance.

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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2008, 09:38:31 PM »
Dear vladimir,
                  When subramanian says forgetfulness is a sin,it is not literal,he means self-forgetfulness is inimical to spiritual growth.
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2008, 10:38:11 AM »
Dear Vladimir and Raju,  All sins are predestined incidents. 
But here, what Bhagavan refers is the Forgetfulness of the Self,
which is our permanent nature and this forgetfulness is the sin.
Whether, this is also happening as pre destined, is depending
on one's carry of 'vasanas', our inherent tendencies acquired
out of previous births.

Arunachala Siva.   

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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2010, 09:53:07 PM »
Dear Udai garu,

Thanks a lot for letting us know about the secret of laughing buddha.

Anyone interested can find an eloborate story behind the secret of "laughing buddha".

http://knol.google.com/k/suresh-padmanabhan/the-secret-of-the-laughing-buddha/2nqmhj0tby0on/5#


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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2010, 02:11:26 PM »
The emptiness needed to receive bliss.
This is the experience that the seekers of truth have been searching for for ages, and this is the key of all the Buddhas: be empty, and you will know what bliss is.
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2010, 05:32:41 PM »
Dear Raju ji,
 Every one is enjoying the "bliss" in our deep sleep, there is no need to go out for "bliss". It is in built in our system.
The only problem is we cannot get the deep sleep state during our waking state. Some people prefer to go to sleep with the help of tablet to forget their worries. Does this sleeping tablet bring deep sleep state.



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