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Attending to self
« on: August 19, 2008, 11:50:29 AM »
Is there any duality while attending to the self i.e during self-enquiry?
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Re: Attending to self
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 04:07:59 PM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju and srkudai,  Attending to the self-enquiry, that is,
asking, "Who am I?" is also a thought.  This one thought, will ward off
all other thoughts, and eventually, even this will burn itself, like
the stick that is used to stir the funeral pyre.  (Who am I? - 1902)

Dear srkudai, Nice, but you are telling the 'ultimate'.

Arunachala Siva. 
 

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 11:06:38 AM »
YES, THERE IS DUALITY TILL THE TIME ENQIRY IS THERE

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KANNAN MEERA SANKAR

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Re: Attending to self
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2008, 11:18:43 AM »
Dear Sankar,  Do not rush to where even the angels fear to go! Even during enquiry there is duality. Duality vanishes only when you are
self realized.  Then, there is no Subramanian, no non duel, no Sankar,
no DRPVSSN Raju, no srkudai.  One is One without a Second!

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2008, 06:24:17 AM »
Is there any duality while attending to the self i.e during self-enquiry?

DEAR SIRS,

SELFLESSNESS IS THE SELF. WHEN THERE IS NO SELFISHNESS WHERE IS THE QUESTION OF DUALITY.

SIVA SIVA ARUNACHALA SIVA
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2008, 11:26:42 AM »
Dear Sankar, There is duality till the self enquiry or self
surrender merges into the goal, the Self.  Then, there is
selflessness, that is there is no individual self or soul.  But,
it is full of SELF-ishness!

Arunachala Siva. 

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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2010, 07:49:37 PM »
Ramana Maharshi says Duality (dvaita) even during sadhana is not present

Even the argument which says, “Duality (dvaita) during practice (sadhana) – which one undertakes (due to) not knowing (the truth that one is always Brahman) – and nonduality (advaita) after attainment (that is, duality is true during the time of practice and non-duality becomes true only after the attainment of Self-realization)”, is not true. Who else is one except the tenth man, both when one is anxiously searching (for the tenth man) and when one finds oneself (to be the tenth man).

Sri Bhagavan says that even this is not true, because nonduality (advaita) is always the truth and duality (dvaita) is always unreal. That is, the one non-dual Self alone exists and is real even when in the ignorant outlook of the individual it seems to appear as this unreal world of duality and diversity.

In order to emphasis that duality is unreal even during the time of its seeming existence, Sri Bhagavan cites the parable of the ‘lost’ tenth man. Ten foolish men forded a river, and on reaching the other side they wished to make sure that all had crossed safely. So all of them began to count the number of persons on the shore, but since each one forgot to count himself, they all counted only nine. Believing that one of their companions must have drowned, they all began to weep, until a passing wayfarer who understood the situation asked each one to count himself, whereupon they realized that they were always ten men, both during the time of their seeming loss and after their ‘finding’ the missing man. Similarly, when we attain Self-knowledge we will realize that non-duality (advaita) is always the sole truth,both during the time of our seeming ignorance (when nonduality appears to be lost and duality appears to prevail) and after our ‘attaining’ Self, the non-dual reality.

It is to be noted here that, though non-duality is the truth even during the time of seeming ignorance, this does not mean that no spiritual practice (sadhana) is necessary,as some theoreticians/theorists have wrongly concluded.So long as the tenth man appears to be lost, it is necessary for each one of the ten to enquire and find out ‘Who is lost?’ , for then only will the truth be realized that the so called ‘lost’ tenth man is only oneself, who has in fact never been lost. Similarly, so long as the experience of non-duality appears to be lost, it is necessary for us to enquire and find out ‘Who am I, who have lost the experience of non-duality?’, for then only will the truth be realized that the seeming individual ‘I’ who does not experience non-duality is merely an unreal appearance, and that the real ‘I’ has in fact never lost the experience of non-duality.

Source: Sri Ramanopadesa Noonmalai Meaning By Sri Sadhu Om Translation By Michael James