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Self-consciousness-Thinking
« on: August 19, 2008, 11:44:28 AM »
Is it true that when the attention in "I"thought goes outwards it becomes thinking and when it turn inwards it remains as self-conscious being?
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Re: Self-consciousness-Thinking
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 04:45:59 PM »
Dear DRPVSSNRAJU,

It is in both "thinking". The "I-thought" is also a thought.
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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Re: Self-consciousness-Thinking
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2008, 04:52:57 PM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju,  When the thoughts go outwards, these
are Jagat-Jeeva-Isvara.  These are unreal.  When the thoughts
go inwards it is self-enquiry.  Nevertheless, both are thoughts.
This inward thought ultimately curls up into the Self.  Then
there are no thoughts, the thought-less state is the Self. "Jagat
is where everything is seen.  Swarupa is where nothing is seen."
(Who am I?)

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Self-consciousness-Thinking
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2008, 08:45:48 PM »
Dear srkudai,
                 We are ordinary human beings functioning with body bound"I",so in our present state of understanding outer and inner
seems to be real because we feel outer is separate and contrary to us.So while dealing with them we have use the words outer and inner for the sake
of understanding.If you are really in a state where outer and inner is not relevent,there is no need for you to read all this.
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Re: Self-consciousness-Thinking
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2008, 10:10:22 AM »
Is it true that when the attention in "I"thought goes outwards it becomes thinking and when it turn inwards it remains as self-conscious being?

YES
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Re: Self-consciousness-Thinking
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2008, 10:51:06 AM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju and srkudai,  Both of you are correct.
In the mind-body complex, in which all of us are, there is
outward and inward.  All seekers who are asking doubts
do have outwards and inwards.  This is in the path to self
enquiry.  Bhagavan's suggestion is:  No doubt all thoughts are
coming, but, first restrict it to one thought:  Who am I? Then,
try to annhiilate that one thought also by merging in the Self.
Getting angry with srkudai, dear DRPVSSN Raju, is quite natural,
because, our thoughts are questioned by another's thoughts.
Dear srkudai, do not feel upset, because our thoughts are
not appreciated.  When we all reach a thoughtless state, there
will be no letters in the Forum, and on that day, when Graham
closes the Forum, all of us are self realized!!!

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: Self-consciousness-Thinking
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2008, 02:11:55 PM »
Dear subramanian,
                        If i am angry and intolerant towards anybody just because they differ from my point of view i do not deserve to be a
follower of Bhagawan.I feel that the purpose of questions and answers should not be deviated by quoting theoretical portions of
some scriptures or sayings of the master.I feel that main purpose of forum is to exchange the ideas regarding practical aspect of
self-enquiry rather than exchange of theoretical aspects only which takes us nowhere.Theoretically we are all self but why Bhagawan
spent 54yrs in propagating self-enquiry,it is because we have not actualised the self.I feel that we should not forget the ground realities.
Some forum members may have superior understanding than others but they should respond according to the present understanding
of the questioner and they should take into account of the understanding of other forum members.All this i am writing in the best
interest of Arunachala Ramana forum which gave us the opportunity to participate in an important subject of self-enquiry.
Because an honorable member like sri subramanian feels that i have hurt the feelings of srkudai i tender my unconditional apology to srkudai.
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Re: Self-consciousness-Thinking
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2008, 02:59:50 PM »
Dear Raju and srkudai,  Nice exhange of ideas and all is well
that ends well.  As Socrates said:  I have every right to say
that you are wrong.  But I have no right for stopping you
from what you say."   We are all having doubts and seek
clarifications from other members and if they say some thing,
it is for us to get convinced and accept or reject.  But, we have
no right to prevent their opinions/views/convictions.

Dear srkudai,  You have said:  Thoughtlessness is NOT Self realization.
I am still pondering over it.  I shall not answer till I know what
is right or wrong.  But who am I to prevent you from saying what
you feel or get convinced about?


Arunachala Siva.
   

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Re: Self-consciousness-Thinking
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2010, 07:30:47 PM »
As Guru Ramana says,

Be like an actor in a movie in the external world.

If we look on the Self as the ego then we become the ego, if as the mind we become the mind, if as the body we become the body.It is the thought which builds up sheaths in so many ways. The shadow on the water is found to be shaking. Can anyone stop the shaking of the shadow? If it should cease to shake you would not notice the water but only the light. Similarly to take no notice of the ego and its activities, but see only the light behind. The ego is the I-thought. The true ‘I’ is the Self.

Just as when you walk, you involuntarily take steps, so too in your actions; but the thought-free state is not affected by your actions.

In Yoga Vasishtha it is said, “What is Real is hidden from us, but what is false, is revealed as true.” We are actually experiencing the Reality only; still, we do not know it. Is it not a wonder of wonders?

The quest “Who am I?” is the axe with which to cut off the ego.