Author Topic: Ramana Maharshi says It is the ego which has come between deep sleep and waking  (Read 1922 times)


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D.: I don’t know whether the Self is different from the ego.

B.: In what state were you in deep sleep?

D.: I don’t know.

B.: Who doesn’t know? The waking self? But you don’t deny that you existed while in deep sleep?

D.: I was and am, but I don’t know who was in deep sleep.

B.: Exactly. The waking man says that he did not know anything in the state of deep sleep. Now he sees objects and knows that he exists but in deep sleep there were no objects and no spectator.

And yet the same person who is speaking now existed in deep sleep also. What is the difference between the two states? There are objects and the play of the senses now, while in deep sleep there were not.

A new entity, the ego, has arisen. It acts through the senses, sees objects, confuses itself with the body and claims to be the Self. In reality, what was in deep sleep continues to be now also. The Self is changeless. It is the ego which has come between. That which rises and sets is the ego. That which remains changeless is the Self.

B.: Waking, dream and sleep are mere phases of the mind, not of the Self. The Self is the witness of these three states. Your true nature exists in sleep.

D.: But we are advised not to fall asleep during meditation.

B.: It is stupor which you must guard against. That sleep which alternates with waking is not the true sleep. That waking which alternates with sleep is not the true waking. Are you awake now? No. What you have to do is to wake up to your true state. You should neither fall into false sleep nor remain falsely awake.

Source: The Teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi in His Own Words book


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Dear prasanth,

In this context, Bhagavan Ramana has said two things:

1. One should watch oneself as soon as he or she wakes up, that small trice of a time,
before the mind starts its working.  This is where one feels that one is pure Atma.
Sooner, the clouds of thoughts come up and hide the Sun.

2. Bhagavan has also said to watch the small time lapse between the two thoughts too.
This is again only a second or a few seconds, at best.  Here one experiences the Atma.
It is like a long queue in front of the God, say in Pazhani or Tirupati, where between
two moving persons, the man behind sees the glimpse of God !

Arunachala Siva.