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D: What are the sadhanas or requisites for this process?

M.: The knowers say that the sadhanas consist of an ability to discern the real from the unreal, no desire for pleasures here or hereafter, cessation of activities (karma) and a keen desire to be liberated. Not qualified with all these four qualities, however hard one may try, one cannot succeed in enquiry. Therefore this fourfold sadhana is the sine qua non for enquiry.

Discernment (viveka) can arise only in a purified mind. Its ‘nature’ is the conviction gained by the help of sacred teachings that only Brahman is real and all else false. Always to remember this truth is its ‘effect’. Its end (avadhi) is to be settled unwavering in the truth that only Brahman is and all else is unreal. Desirelessness (vairagya) is the result of the outlook that the world is essentially faulty. Its ‘nature’ is to renounce the world and have no desire for anything in it. Its ‘effect’ is to turn away in disgust from all enjoyments as from vomit. It ends (avadhi) in treatment with contempt of all pleasures, earthly or heavenly, as if they were vomit or burning fire or hell.

Desire to be liberated (mumukshutva) begins with the association with realised sages. Its ‘nature’ is the yearning for liberation. Its ‘effect’ is to stay with one’s master. It ends (avadhi) in giving up all study of shastras and performance of religious rites.

D.: How is it that even scholars in Vedanta have not succeeded in the pursuit of enquiry?


M.: Though they always study Vedanta and give lessons to others yet in the absence of desirelessness they do not practise what they have learnt.

D.: And what do they do otherwise?

M.: Like a parrot they reproduce the Vedantic jargon but do not put the teachings into practice.

D.: What does Vedanta teach?

M.: The Vedanta teaches a man to know that all but the non-dual Brahman is laden with misery, therefore to leave off all desires for enjoyment, to be free from love or hate, thoroughly to cut the knot of the ego and to remain fixed in the perfect knowledge of the equality of all and making no distinction of any kind, never to be aware of anything but Brahman, and always to be experiencing the Bliss of the nondual Self.


Though Vedanta is read and well understood, if dispassion is not practised, the desire for pleasures will not fade away. However well read one may be, unless the teachings are put into practice, one is not really learned. Only like a parrot the man will be repeating that Brahman alone is real and all else is false.

D.: Why should he be so?

M.: The knowers say that like a dog delighting in offal,this man also delights in external pleasures. Though always busy with Vedanta, reading and teaching it, he is no better than a mean dog.

D.: What authority is there for saying that a man not otherwise qualified but intensely desirous of liberation remains ever unhappy?

M.: In the Suta Samhita it is said that those desirous of enjoyments and yet yearning for liberation are surely bitten by the deadly serpent of samsara and therefore dazed by its poison. This is the authority.


Source: ADVAITA BODHA DEEPIKA book

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Re: Ramana maharshi reasons Why few scholars in Vedanta have not succeeded
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2010, 09:21:28 AM »
Dear prasanth_ramana_maharshi,

Thank you. A valuable reminder for all of us. And for all the self proclaimed spiritual leaders.

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Re: Ramana maharshi reasons Why few scholars in Vedanta have not succeeded
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2010, 10:30:16 AM »
Dear prasanth,

It is a very nice teaching.  Desire for liberation and is the first requisite.  This
should be followed with putting into practice, what Bhagavan Ramana said. 
Take for example Who am I?  How many guidelines given there, are being followed
by each one of us?  It is extremely difficult.  That is why Bhagavan says in the
same book: There is no point in reading books unlimitedly, when one has understood
that the final teaching of all books is to control the mind. 

Arunachala Siva.     

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Re: Ramana maharshi reasons Why few scholars in Vedanta have not succeeded
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2010, 10:36:50 AM »
Dear grhluna,

Bhagavan Ramana has also said in Sad Darsanam - Supplement, while
the ignorant has got only his family as his burden, the learned has got
many many books as his families.  It is better to be ignorant to be with
one family, than with several families.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Ramana maharshi reasons Why few scholars in Vedanta have not succeeded
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2010, 07:17:47 PM »
For example, person never reads a book and does not know what liberation means, nor he does know what bondage means.
Though he earnestly wants to find out who he is and his earnestness is that of drowning man trying to breath in. That alone is sufficient. Only because he does not know 'liberation' his attention goes straight to himself.
External knowledge is two sided sword.
Thus we can draw a conclusion, that the more we think we know, the more difficult it gets for to say
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'I know' is not untrue, but very limited.
And in itself it stops the seeker of Truth.

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Re: Ramana maharshi reasons Why few scholars in Vedanta have not succeeded
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2010, 08:34:06 PM »
Let alone liberation, knowledge of religious books make people feel they are slowly gaining understanding of the Self whereas in fact it could be a major hindrance they are not even aware of. At the extreme, there are also the codes of behaviour that are imposed on societies based on the understanding of a few 'experts' of religious texts. By their authority, a woman wearing a veil is certified as nearer to the truth than a 'loose' woman who refuses to do so and faces punishment. A priest in a church is closer to god by his celibacy than one who is not. And there have also been wars in the name of god, based on 'my god is better than your god' or 'my guru is better than yours'.

Bhagawan says "A simple man, not learned, is satisfied with japa or worship. A jnani is of course satisfied. The whole trouble is for the bookworms." Unfortunately, most people fall in that category unaware of the dangers ahead.

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Re: Ramana maharshi reasons Why few scholars in Vedanta have not succeeded
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2010, 09:54:03 AM »
Dear friends,

Bhagavan Ramana never read anything before His realization, barring
Periya Puranam, the story of 63 saints in Tamil, a little of Bible,
as a school lesson, and a few Tayumanavar songs.  Some devotee
has acclaimed that He attained Brahmanhood without knowing what
is Brahman.  At the same time, He said in Who am I? - there is no
point in reading books unlimitedly, since all books point out control
of mind or erasing of thoughts as the only requisite for deliverance.

I thought that the best way is to put in practice a few covenants of
Who am I? to begin with.  In this way, I have brought down my
reading books, (other than Ramana's and Sankara's) to a great
extent.  There were days when I had fixed a target of 5000 pages
every week.  What was the benefit?  Nothing.

Arunachala Siva.