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Prarabdha
« on: August 18, 2008, 06:00:06 PM »
Dear All,

Prarabdha already laid out by Iswara in our present life is predetermined and cannot be changed. This brings the point that if prarabdha has to evolved as already laid out, where is free-will? Sri Ramana said that no matter what you do, what has to happen will happen and what is not determined to happen will not happen.

If this is the case, then how can one possibly accumulate any prarabdha? One can say that we have the liberty of our "attitude" towards the film of our life and surrender. Then why would even our "attitudes" not be prarabdha?

Does an actor accumulate any prarabdha? 
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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Re: Prarabdha
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2008, 06:31:38 PM »
Dear nonduel,
          :) I guess prarabdha karma is as real as the so called free will !

both are as real as this relative existence !

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Dear Srkudai,

Yes you are right. But since Self-Realisation is to merge with the Self, and this is determined with prarabdha. Hence why some devotees had Realisation in the company of Sri Ramana and others it took many years, and for most of us it can well be in a next rebirth.

Yes you are correct that this is from the ego, and only an intellectual question in duality. As real as this existence! Or who is asking?
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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Re: Prarabdha
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2008, 07:18:55 PM »
Dear non duel and srkudai,  Interesting observations.  I shall answer
non duel first.  Prarabdha is that portion of good and bad things, that
one has to experience during this life itslef.  Sanchaya, is the total
reservoir of good and bad things.  Prarabdha is a small quota given
for this life.  Agami is the good and bad things that we do in this birth,
so that it may fetch good and bad results next birth.  Every scripture
says that through Jnana, one can cancel Sanchaya.  Agami will not
arise, because you are doing good things in this life.  (Good effects
will reach God and not produce result.).  Hence Prarabdha is the
unsolved mystery!  Scriptures say that Prarabdha is like an arrow,
already shot out.  It will not see whether the victim is a cow or a
man!   But Sankara and Bhagavan Sri Ramana, say that the Prarabdha
will also not be there, because the Jnani does not feel the good and bad,
and there is no effect on him, because he has no mind.  Viveka Choodamani and Ulladu Narpadu say the identical thing. Bhagavan says
if a King has got three wives (like Dasarata in Ramayana), and if the
King dies, all the three wives become widows, and not merely two
of them.  This example also comes in Viveka Choodamani.  The
Saiva Siddhantis like Manikkavachagar, says that God with his
abundant grace, will "thin" the effect of Prarabdha for a Jnani.
Like the arrow, which is aimed at your chest, will hit your headgear
and pass away!  I take this position.  Bhagavan said during his
four surgeries in 1949-50, that the pain was like an ant-bite, and
he was mildly groaning during sleep!  Dr Guruswami Mudaliar
said, that the pain will be as excruciating as if a lorry is running
over your hand!!!

Arunachala Siva.       

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Re: Prarabdha
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2008, 07:30:00 PM »
Dear srkudai and non duel, free will and prarabdha are no doubt
chances.  Bhagavan said that both free will and prarabdha has
no meaning for a Jnani.  Chance is the correct word.  But the
Chance will be in our favour or it will not affect us, if we get
Guru's abundant Grace.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Prarabdha
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2008, 04:27:48 PM »
Dear Subramanian and Srkudai,

My understanding is that prarabdha is there and one is under its "law" as long as one believes HE IS THE DOER.

It is very easy in getting caught in intellectual argument, which the mind is found of. I felt this was a interesting aspect of the teaching, and it did raise some questions. It brings a greater Love for Sri Ramana and the depth of His teaching on Self-Enquiry. All answers are there!  Who is asking! This always bring "back" to Self-Attention.

Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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Re: Prarabdha
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2008, 04:55:52 PM »
Dear non duel,  Prarabdha is valid for one who is in ignorance,
is having 'doership' with a fat ego!  In egoless state, it is not valid.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Prarabdha
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2008, 08:57:48 AM »
Action is born out of ignorance.Ignorance is insentient so it's action is insentient.The one who feels that he performed the action is not the doer.
So fruit of action is not in his hands.Action per se has no ability to confer the fruit of action.So karma is jadam.The bestower of fruit of action
is Eswara,the supreme sentient being.
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Re: Prarabdha
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2008, 10:28:28 AM »
Dear All,

Prarabdha already laid out by Iswara in our present life is predetermined and cannot be changed. This brings the point that if prarabdha has to evolved as already laid out, where is free-will? Sri Ramana said that no matter what you do, what has to happen will happen and what is not determined to happen will not happen.

If this is the case, then how can one possibly accumulate any prarabdha? One can say that we have the liberty of our "attitude" towards the film of our life and surrender. Then why would even our "attitudes" not be prarabdha?

Does an actor accumulate any prarabdha? 


YES.

BECAUSE THE THING WHICH IS NOT DESTINED TO HAPPEN AND WE ARE TRYING TO DO IT AND ATTAIN FAILURE.
IN THE PROCESS WE DISTURB THE NATURE OF HAPPENINGS WITH OUR IGNORANCE AND CAUSE TROUBLES TO MANY WITH OUT KNOWING SO THOSE ARE THE REWARDS WE HAVE REAPED AS PRARABDHA.

WHEN THE ACTION IS PERFORMED WITHOUT DOERSHIP OR SELFLESSNESS THERE IS ONLY THE THINGS HAPPEN AS HIS WILL AND NOT AS PER OUR EGO DOERSHIP AND SO NO PRARABDHA IN ACTION IN WITHOUT DOERSHIP

SIVA SIVA ARUNACHALA
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Re: Prarabdha
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2008, 12:12:07 PM »
Dear srkudai,  Bhagavan's Upadesa Saram, speaks about all
the four margas.  It begins with, "Karma brings fruit, because
of God or Brahman's grace; Karma is a jada, insentient.  Karma
brings fruits, phala, merrit, but it gives rise to another birth,
because, these fruits have to be enjoyed.  Karma does not
yield liberation.  If Karma is done nishkamya, that is, without
yearning for fruit, it goes to Brahman or God, and it will mend
our path and show the way to liberation."

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Prarabdha
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2008, 02:30:14 PM »
Dear srkudai,  Your writing about 4 margas and 'the conviction'
is excellent.  Bhagavan always says that 'the conviction' is the
essential thing, be it a god or a guru.  This is explained in detail,
in Ribhu Gita.  As you know it is called 'bhavana' is Sanskrit and
Ribhu Gita spends an entire chapter on 'bhavana', which is the
most important requirement in any path.  Bhagavan asks: When
you travel in a first class compartment, and tell the guard or
conductor to wake you up at a particular station, and the  go
to sleep, you have a conviction that the guard will wake you
up at proper time and at proper destination.  Why not you have
the same conviction with your Guru?"   Thus the same principle
is to be adopted in our pursuit of self enquiry.  Ribhu Gita says,
"Forsake all the bhavanas and keep only the bhavana, I am Brahman,
and this will lead you to merge in Brahman."

Nice post.

Arunachala Siva.