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Re: Rape and Robbery at Arunachala
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2011, 09:41:31 AM »



Dear Adam,

Prarabdha is there even for a Jnani.  But he does not identify himself with the good and bad fruits of prarabdha.  His body is ever different from the Self that He has realized.  That is why when during final years when someone asked Him: Is it paining, Bhagavan!, Sri Bhagavan replied:  Yes, the body is paining.

He did not say that His body is paining.



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Re: Rape and Robbery at Arunachala
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2011, 01:22:33 PM »
I wonder when Arunachala is God - why does he allow such things to happen to women who walk around him?
There is the story how one man suffering from leprosy walked around Arunachala when suddely another man appeared and beat him with some neem tree branches, demanging the he left as he has no buisness here.
When the leper run away, he suddely realized that his sickness had gone.
So why does not, when a man tries to rape a woman on Arunachala path, Shiva come forward in his form as Bhairava and frighten them to different behaviour?

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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2011, 02:56:58 PM »


Dear Jyoti,

There are some questions which have no answers. These happenings are there inspite of the Asramam's caution not to venture giri valam
particularly in the forest route, without going as a group or without  male escort. Now, whom to blame? You cannot blame Arunachala for everything. When you enjoy a nice cup of ice cream do you think of
Arunachala and say Thank you Arunachala for this cup of ice cream?



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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2011, 03:28:34 PM »
But Arunachala is also a refuge for people who practise Sadhana in solitute.
It is said that many saints lived in Arunachala's caves.
So what then about women seekers who want to practise in solitude?

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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2011, 03:56:22 PM »


Dear Jyoti,

According to my reading of Sri Bhagavan's devotees, only one
woman [I think she is Ms. Suzanne] went to the Hill and stayed overnight in Virupaksha Cave. Her meditative energy was so intense, that she heard Samaveda chantings at night. For such meditative energy, no men could go even near the Cave. S.S. Cohen, still as a matter of abudant precaution, was sent to the Hill by Sri Bhagavan and she was brought back to the Asramam around 2.30 A.M. early
morning.



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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2012, 07:04:08 PM »
When someone is killed at the pradakshina road, does that person get absorbed?
Because Bhagavan quoted from the Arunachala Mahatmyam that everybody who dies within some yojonas (8-10 miles I tink) around Arunachala gets absorbed...
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Re: Rape and Robbery at Arunachala
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2012, 07:16:19 PM »
Can I get an answer upon my question please?

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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2012, 07:25:25 PM »
no body can answer as no one knows for certain.

humans are/will be living on the basis of trust.

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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2012, 07:31:03 PM »
Dear Jyoti,

The man who is killed in pradakshina route is killed as per his destiny.

Sri Bhagavan said: Those who lives within three yojanas of Arunachala, will get without diksha (formal inititation) get
Saujya mukti. He has only said mukti will be conferred to him without any requisite of diksha. That is all. He had not said
that everyone will get mukti.


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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2012, 07:46:50 PM »
As per sthala puranam as per assurance of Lord Shiva anyone who resides within 30 nautical miles of Arunachala is assured of liberation .This means that by his prior prarabdha he is destined to live within 30 miles of Arunachala and is thus assured of liberation howsover he dies.
Now question arises what happens if a non resident dies on the pradhakshina route.
Now Lord Shiva's assurance does not apply to him since he is not a resident - possibly meaning he has  acquired sufficient merit to visit Arunachala but not enough to be resident there .
Chadwick had asked this question :- What happens if someone were to think of Arunachala and stand before a lorry and then happen to die?Would he achieve mukti by thinking of Arunachala at his last momemt?
Bhagavan said that no,that is not the case.His mind will become very active at that moment and his last thoughts would be what was predominant in his thinking during his lifetime and could lead to rebirth.
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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2012, 12:21:00 PM »
Dear Ananda Sundaram:

Yes. This conversation of Sri Bhagavan with Major Chadwick is also correct.

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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2012, 05:54:57 PM »
As per sthala puranam as per assurance of Lord Shiva anyone who resides within 30 nautical miles of Arunachala is assured of liberation .This means that by his prior prarabdha he is destined to live within 30 miles of Arunachala and is thus assured of liberation howsover he dies.
Now question arises what happens if a non resident dies on the pradhakshina route.
Now Lord Shiva's assurance does not apply to him since he is not a resident - possibly meaning he has  acquired sufficient merit to visit Arunachala but not enough to be resident there .
Chadwick had asked this question :- What happens if someone were to think of Arunachala and stand before a lorry and then happen to die?Would he achieve mukti by thinking of Arunachala at his last momemt?
Bhagavan said that no,that is not the case.His mind will become very active at that moment and his last thoughts would be what was predominant in his thinking during his lifetime and could lead to rebirth.
regards,
Anand.
Then the words of Bhagavan are in contradiction to the words of Shiva:
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Lord Siva said: “What cannot be acquired without great pains – the true import of Vedanta (Self-Realization) – can be attained by anyone who looks at (this hill). from where it is visible or even mentally thinks of it from afar.”                    - Arunachala Mahatmyam (Skanda Purana)
from here, bold by me.

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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2012, 06:13:50 PM »
The thought of Arunachala or the affinity to Arunachala occurs only to ones who have completed preliminary sadhana towards self enquiry in earlier births.
Arunachala is nothing but the self and the fact that we are attracted to it means that we are well entrenched on the path of self enquiry.
One may say from now on Arunachala makes us think of him and we in turn want to think of Arunachala .I think it is one of the sublime mysteries.The supreme self be it called Shiva,Vishnu,etc has taken physical manifestation as the hill to act as a beacon for self enquiry .here may be a lot more things to it and other seekers may be able to throw more light on the mystical aspect of Arunachala.
When Lord Siva says "Lord Siva said: “What cannot be acquired without great pains – the true import of Vedanta (Self-Realization) – can be attained by anyone who looks at (this hill). from where it is visible or even mentally thinks of it from afar.”           is that by virtue of the sight of the hill we are caugh in the tiger's jaws so to speak i.e well established in the path of self enquiry so that we can be assured that we are free from repeated transmigration and will soon be freed from the bondage of repeated birth and death.
This much is certain.However to quantify it and saying that while Girivallam if we die whether we will get  Mukti or not is I now think is work of the ego.Suffice it to day that even dying on the Girivallam path would be due to one 's punya in our earlier lives and will have its benefit.
Surely Arunachala's grace will materialise on us at the time of death  if we have thought about it  through out our life,or at the time of death or even once  and how we can know only by experiencing   the same.
Perhaps Bhagavan did not want to put more emphasis on this because though Arunachala is the bestower of Mukti , he did not want devotees to  give up self enquiry or other modes of sadhana since the epitome of worship of Arunachala would only be reached after absolute self surrender and total surrender is difficult to obtain .Till such time he wanted devotees to continue sadhana through self enquiry or some other means with the assurance that Arunachala is there guiding us and acting as our eternal father till we reach eternity.
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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2012, 06:30:45 PM »
Dear Ananda Sundaram.

Sri Bhagavan translated the two verses from Sri Arunachala Mahatmyam, where there are only two important things:

1. Those who are able to look at the Hill, even from a far off distance, and those who even remember the Hill the Self Realization
will be attained without pains.

2. Those who stay here within 3 yojanas would get Sayujyam (merger with Siva) will occur without even diksha, initiation.

So neither Arunachala Mahatmyam nor Sri Bhagvan did  speak about any alternate 'events' like being killed while doing
giri pradakshina, or falling from the Hill while climbing and other such 'weird' things. Regarding questions on other such
'weird' things only conventional answers  can be given i.e. a) what is their thought just before dying b) whether their
destiny has made such a death etc., etc..

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« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2012, 06:58:10 PM »
To add to what Sir has said ,Lord shiva has assured of liberation to those who  stay here within 3 yojanas would get Sayujyam (merger with Siva)  without even diksha, initiation.
As far as the  alternate 'events' like being killed while doing giri pradakshina, or falling from the Hill while climbing and other such 'weird' things. like Sir said it will be dictated by the last thougth before death but again since he has come into contact with Aruanachala Lord Shiva will definitely will guide them to liberation by the assurance given by him vide 1 i.e "Those who are able to look at the Hill, even from a far off distance, and those who even remember the Hill the Self Realization will be attained without pains."
Mukti could happen in that very life also since it is possible that the last thought could be of Arunachala Shiva if it has pre-occupied his mind throughout his life.
In any case Lord Shiva as mentionbed above has vouched for his grace however flawed our devotion towards him may be and we will never be foresaken but how soon is dependent on us -i.e on our sadhana..
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Anand Sundaram.



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