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Krishna, Maya and Brahman
« on: December 26, 2009, 02:18:24 PM »
On 15th April 1937, a frequent visitor to the Asramam, asked the
following to Bhagavan Ramana:

Visitor: Arjuna saw the Divine Form of Sri Krishna.  Was that vision

Bhagavan:  Sri Krishna started the discourse in Chapter 2 of the
Bhagavad Gita with:  "I have no form," etc., But in Chapter 11,
He said, "I transcend the three words...."  Yet Arjuna saw these
in Him.  Again Sri Krishna said:  "I am Time".  Does Time have a form?  If the universe is His form, should it not be uniform and changeless, He being the Changeless One?  The solution to these
apparent contradictions lies in His statement to Arjuna:  "See in Me
all you desire to see..."  which means that His form varies according to the desires and conceptions of the seer.  Men speak of divine
visions, yet paint them differently with the seer himself in the scene.  Even hypnotics can make one see strange scenes and phenomena, which you condemn as tricks and jugglery, whereas
the former you extol as Divine.  Why is this difference?  The fact
is that all sights are unreal, whether they come from the senses or the mind as pure concepts.  THIS IS THE TRUTH.


About the visions and apparitions, mentioned in the above conversation, Brahmasri Nochur Venkataraman, mentioned two

1. Some one asked Bhagavan in the Old Hall, "Bhagavan!  If
Siva appears before you, what will you ask him?" 
Bhagavan Ramana, smiled and said:  "I shall ask him, O Siva.
do not keep this business of coming and going with me!"

2. Once in Tiruvanananthapuram, during early 19th century, during
the King Marthanda Varma's time, a magician said that he would show the fights of gods and demons at a particular place in the SKY at Tiruvananathapuram.  Thousands came including the king.  Within minutes, the battle of gods and demons showed up in the sky.  Many heads rolled, many limbs fell down, blood dropped like rain
waters, weapons and armours fell with huge metallic sounds, many in the battle cried, horses fell without heads, rathas fell down with broken axle and wheels.

The people who came to witness ran hither and thither.  In the
stampede many broke their limbs and heads. Children cried of
suffocation and fear.  Ladies wailed.  Even the king fell down from his throne on the dais. 

It lasted for 20 minutes and everything was over.  What remained was the people's continued wailing and weeping.  King had broken his thigh.  The magician had the last laugh.       


A disciple remarks that Sri Bhagavan often says that maya and
Reality are the same.  How can that be?

Bhagavan:  Sankara was criticized for his views on Maya without
understanding him.  He said that:  (1) Brahman is real, (2) The
universe is unreal, and (3) Brahman is the universe.  He did not
stop at (2) because the (3) explains the other two.  It signifies
that the universe is real if perceived as the Self, and unreal, if
perceived apart rom the Self.  Hence Maya and Reality are one
and the same.       

(Source:  Guru Ramana, S.S. Cohen.  Brahmasri Nochur Venkataraman's satsangh in Bangalore, in Sep 2009 on Sri
Dakshinamurty Stotram for 6 days.)

Arunachala Siva.