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Should one need a living Guru?
« on: December 22, 2009, 12:59:03 PM »
The sole purpose of the manifestation of eternal guru in a
transitory form, is to teach us by words and example, thereby
enabling us to understand the nature of Reality and the means
by which we can attain it or merge with it.  Since the teachings of
the "human guru" remain and are available to us even after he has
cast off his human guru, if we have to understood his teachings correctly, there is absolutely no need for us to look for any other
human manifestation of the guru.

Bhagavan, even when He was living in His human forms, taught
us that He is not the human form that we mistake Him to be, and
that the real Guru is within us.  The sole aim of all that He taught
us was to turn our attention within, away from all forms, both
human and otherwise.

Therefore the answer to the question, "Do we really need a human
guru?" depends upon the sense in which we understand this term
"human guru".  If we understand it to mean the one eternal guru
manfiested in a human form, whether that human form is living
at present or lived sometime in the past, then it is correct to say
that we do need such a 'human guru' to teach us that the peace,
happiness, ansolute reality and true knowledge that we all seek
are our own essential self, and that we can attain them only by
turning our attention inwads to scrutinize our own true being and
thereby to know what we really are.

However, if we understand the term "human guru" to mean specifically a 'guru' who is currently living in a human form, then
it is not correct to say that we need such a 'human guru' -
or living guru - as some other people describe such a person.

As Sri Sadhu Om used to say:  If we want to depend upon such
a living guru, we will end up being disappointed, because that
living guru will one day become a dead guru!

(Source:  Michael James, MP - April - June 2007)

Arunachala Siva. 


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Re: Should one need a living Guru?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2009, 05:55:53 PM »
Dear I,

Out of 24 gurus of Dhathathyreya only 4 are Human Gurus and none of the 24 Gurus of Dhathathreya were said to be realized souls as well. Its all what we take from Guru.

Anything can be our Guru. Ultimately all Guru's will be found as the Self itself

Salutations to Sri Ramana
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Re: Should one need a living Guru?
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2009, 10:38:58 AM »
In Tiruvannamalai, after Bhagavan Ramana's Maha Nirvana, many
people thought there was nothing else to do with the absence of
Ramana in body, so they packed off.  Soon, in one or two years,
their minds starting playing all sorts of mischiefs and they found
themselves like a ball falling down the stair case!  Quick fall from
all the sadhana done earlier in a year's time.  They all soon came
back, back to His lap, His Sannidhi, His Presence, which is glowing
more effulgently than even before.  They got their peace of minds
and continued their sadhana.  Only Osborne, Lucy Osborne, Chadwick, Viswanathaswami, Kunju Swami and Annamalai Swami
had stood to their grounds and they had gained the uninterrupted flow of Bhagavan Ramana's grace.

Arunachala Siva.