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srkudai

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Bring out the Vasanas
« on: December 07, 2009, 04:00:49 PM »
The vasanas are all hidden --- until they pop up as thoughts, they cannot be dealt with!

So, inorder to deal with vasanas --- when they arise as thoughts, inquire and withdraw from them .
Thus they get nullified!

The suggestion here is ... do not wait for vasanas to pop up ...
bring them out.
go against habits patterns...

the vasanas pop up ... then inquire to whom they arise!
This way its also a controlled environment ... coz we know a particular vasana is going to come up.
we know before hand that its going to pop up ...

so we are not caught unaware! its like putting a bait to drag the vasanas out of mind and then withdrawing from them ... that is seeing how "I" as Self is totally disinterested and untouched by that vasana.

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Re: Bring out the Vasanas
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2009, 05:29:14 PM »
I was told all the hidden vasanas are coming in dreams sometimes. Sometimes we would wake up in middle of the sleep due to the dreams. and sometimes
we never recollect it. It may be fear, greed and anger. So these dreams also can be called thoughts and have to investigate. Is it? or can we neglect it?


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Re: Bring out the Vasanas
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2009, 06:32:04 PM »
Dear Udai ji

You have said there is no difference in between dreams and waking state. Do you mean the waking state is not real as atma janani says? I understand
that till we get the state i.e. I am bliss, all our activites are being done in sleeping state only. In tamil they say ANMA (ATMA) VIZHIPU (WAKING STATE)
so far as we have not got this state, but daily we get tired and go to sleep  and next morning we wake up. But for jnanis there is no dreams and waking state.
I understood this thing from your post. Is it so?


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Re: Bring out the Vasanas
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2009, 10:52:45 AM »
Dear all,

Vasanas pop out as thoughts.  These thoughts should be controlled
or annihilated or watched, asking "For Whom these thoughts?" etc.,

But all vasanas do not pop out as thoughts.  Some of them pop out
at the wrong time of the life.  It is like a sannyasi after 7 years
of ascetic life, suddenly getting married to a girl!  This happened
in the case of a Madhwa Math sannyasi (of Udupi) about which
there were hue and cry and he was removed from the Math's Head post.  He is also a good singer!  Even today, he gives good music concerts at Panduranga Bhajans in TV.  So also the case with one Pittukuli Murugadas, who was a Sannyasi and a great Muruga
bhakta singing melodious songs.  After several years of ascetism,
he got married to a girl.  This is how the Vasanas pop out after a long hybernation.

But the last variety of Vasanas is the one which never pops out
throughout the life, but is still quite potent within.  These only
cause re-birth according to their nature.  Like Jatabharada who was born as a deer.  This last variety can be erased only through Guru's Grace.  Nothing else can help us.  Bhagavan Himself says in Sri
Arunachala Navamani Malai Verse 7:-

O Annamlai, from the day you had taken over me,
You have possessed my mind and body,
Can there be any deficiency further in me? 
You are the good and you are the bad.
I therefore shall not think of them
You do as per Your Will, but only
Give me abundant floods of love,
For you anklet-wearing feet!

This Poorna Saranagati to the Guru helps us to conquer all
thoughts, vasanas, and even the mind, whether you believe in the
concept of mind or no-mind!

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Bring out the Vasanas
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2009, 12:39:31 PM »
Sorry, all, but this caught me in an ornery mood  :P.

About these ascetics getting married -- how can a fellow know that was desire? Could asceticism also be a sort of desire? And where does destiny fit in.  And what of the "girl"? 

Desire without desire, lust without lust -- see without a catechism up your sleeve  :-*.
There's a glory in the morning because the earth turns 'round, and a promise in the evening, when the sun goes down.

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Re: Bring out the Vasanas
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2009, 01:23:52 PM »
Asceticism is our real nature. all other stages are only illusions. Asceticism is the most natural self. Asceticism is verily the Self itself. One who takes to Asceticism can be divided into two. One is involuntary, as in the case of Ramana Maharshi, avadhootas, another based on the schools of thoughts laid down by Adi Shankaracharya, Ramanujacharya, and others. The latter ones take to Asceticism to propound the Vedic Dharma as a service rendered to the God almighty to the people.

We cannot decide on what is desire, whether Asceticism also could be a sort of desire, destiny's etc... because, the so called "Acts" of Ascetics are their most natural actions, spontaneity, These actions defy logics and societal norms and rights or wrongs.

When we watch these, it raises confusions within ourselves. Therefore what is more important is to watch our own selves alone.

true Ascetics may not necessarily be only in orange garb or with long beards or very lean, bony or without any clothes. persons very close to us, in  our own family, our own loved ones may also be an Ascetic without even being aware about Asceticism, who is just doing their daily chores without any disturbances or sort.

A true Ascetic is the most ordinary and most natural man/woman/etc.. with no complications!

Salutations to Ramana
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: Bring out the Vasanas
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2009, 04:10:17 PM »
Dear Chuck Cliff and Nagaraj,

Thank you for further elucidation.  The voluntary ascetism, kirama
sannyasam (as pointed out by Nagaraj,) is one, where leads a life
of celibacy, then gets married and after having children and a fairly
good doze of conjugal life, gets incomplete feelings about life and
then takes up asectism with the full permission of wife and wife only.
He need not ask his children and grandsons!  This is rather safe.
Hindu Theology permits it.  The other sannyasam is divine intervention, directly from student life to asectism, with no conjugal
desires or vasanas.  Bhagavan Ramana and Sri Sankara did this.
(Somewhere I read someone telling that Sankara was a pigmy when
compared to Ramana; this is all our mind's mischief.  Both are giants
and had told the same Truth with shining grandeur.)

But what is mentioned in my post is 'sudden urge for sannyasa' --
without proper preparation for such a life.  For these fellows the
thoughts and vasanas - both would haunt.  Thoughts are like
external wounds and cramps and headaches.  These can be cured
by buying some medicine from the drug store across the road.
But Vasanas are internal, deep seated in the subconscious.  They
are like the cancer nodes inside the liver or pancreas.  They cannot
be cured by drug store medicines.  One has to go to a specialist,
undergo a torturous treatment of cobalt therapy etc.,  Such is the
danger of Vasanas.  Here the Guru, the specialist's grace is absolutely essential. 

Dear Chuck Cliff,

Desire, no desire, desire to have desire, desire to have no desire
-- all these have been discussed in David Godman's blog a few
months back, thread-bare.  According to Bhagavan Ramana, desire
for the Self realization is the only desire one can have.  But
many of us are miles away from this Golden Fleece.

Arunachala Siva.