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Graham

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The value of Certificates
« on: December 04, 2009, 08:03:43 PM »

A Russian friend came to Tiruvannamalai last week and told me about an Advaitic organisation in Russia which is offering Certificates in guruship, graded according to how many followers you get and of course passing exams.

One of these certified gurus came to Tiruvannamalai last year with five of his followers and visited other gurus here, but declared all of them fake because none of them recognised him as a jnani. Upon his return to Russia, he prepared some mushrooms for himself, his family and followers -- all of them died.

I am also reminded of a group here in Tiruvannamalai, who several years ago were offering certificates of self-realisation.

Now there is the phenomena of silent satsang by telephone and silent satsang via skype.

This is the kind of insanity that has hijacked and corrupted Advaita today.

Misplaced faith is a dangerous thing.
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Re: The value of Certificates
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2009, 09:44:02 AM »
Sir,

People today want to read Bhagavan Ramana through u-tube
videos and merge with e-Self!  Even Self realization has been
made electronic and computer savvy!

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: The value of Certificates
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2009, 07:22:51 PM »
This post made me realize that our society is going down AND FAST!  :D

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Re: The value of Certificates
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2009, 08:48:35 PM »
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A Russian friend came to Tiruvannamalai last week and told me about an Advaitic organisation in Russia which is offering Certificates in guruship, graded according to how many followers you get and of course passing exams.

That's right. Here are their Web-pages (in Russian) with the classification of gurus amd masters according to their system:

http://congress.advayta.org/assotsiatsiya-masterov/klassifikatsiya.html

and their a system of exams after wich one can receive a certificate confirming his (her) status and authirity:

http://congress.advayta.org/assotsiatsiya-masterov/sistemyi-attestatsiy.html

it would be funny if it had not been so fraud

These are the same people (in fact a kind of totalitarian cult) who organized so called "International Advaita Congress" in Moskow

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Re: The value of Certificates
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2009, 06:04:11 PM »
Thank you for the links Vladimir

It is a terrible tragedy that happened to those poor people in Russia.

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2009, 08:39:33 PM »
I translated through google the titles for fun sake just look at these titles  :D

1. Introducing younger mentor of Advaita Vedanta
2. Mentor Advaita Vedanta (Jnani)
3. Teacher of Advaita Vedanta (Swami)
4. Master-master of Advaita Vedanta (Jnana Guru Swami)
5. Teacher-Enlightened Master Guru Advaita Vedanta (Sri Guru Swami)
6. Great Enlightened Holy Master, Guru Advaita Vedanta (Sadguru, His Holiness, Avadhuta, Mahamandaleshvar)
7. Ecumenical Holy Enlightened Master guru Advaita Vedanta (His Divine Grace, Dzhagad guru, Loka-guru)

How about His Divine Grace Sadguru Avadhuta Mahamandelashvar Sri Jnani Guru Swami + Loka-guru

(laughing out laud rolling on the floor)
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Re: The value of Certificates
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2009, 10:23:14 PM »
Here is one more link from their site:

http://www.advayta.org/item/000011/img/?id=817

The iniciator and main organizer of all this circus so called Swami Vishnu Dev (real name Valery Mintsev; second from the left) dares to place his own photo in one row with Bhagavan and Papaji.
Good PR, isn't it?

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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2009, 10:55:57 PM »
http://www.eng.advayta.org/guru/frame.html

If you read about him it seems that he mastered EVERYTHING.

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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2009, 11:04:30 PM »
I translated from Russian this page:

http://congress.advayta.org/assotsiatsiya-masterov/sistemyi-attestatsiy.html

Attestation System

The list of attestation systems, according to which one can receive the confirmation of status and authority

1. Attestation system of  the Monastery-Academy  of Yoga “Collection of Mystery”

1. Introductory minor Tutor of Advaita-Vedanta:
- personal interview on the Council of masters – examination on philosophy;
- period of sadhana, Advaita Vedanta, not less than 10 years;
- age — not less than 33 years;
- grade  — not less than 3 (according to monastery system) for Academy of Yoga students.

2. Advaita Vedanta Tutor (Jnani)
- personal interview – examination on philosophy ;
- period of sadhana, Advaita Vedanta, not less than 12 years;
- age — not less than 35 years;
- retreat practice — not less than 6 months;
- grade  — not less than 4 (according to monastery system) for Academy of Yoga students.

3. Advaita Vedanta Teacher(Swami)
- personal interview – examination on philosophy;
- period of sadhana, Advaita Vedanta, not less than 12 years ;
- age — not less than 38 years;
- retreat practice — not less than 1 year;
- grade  — not less than 4 (according to monastery system) for Academy of Yoga students.

4. Advaita Vedanta Teacher-Master (Jnana Guru Swami)
- personal interview – examination on philosophy;
- period of sadhana, Advaita Vedanta, not less than 15 years ;
- age — not less than 38 years;
- retreat practice — not less than 2 years;
-  grade  — not less than 5 (according to monastery system) for Academy of Yoga students

5. Advaita Vedanta Enlightened Guru-Master (Sri Guru Swami)
- personal interview – examination on philosophy;
- period of sadhana, Advaita Vedanta, not less than 20 years;
- retreat practice — not less than 2 years;
- age — not less than 38 years;
- not less than 10 students having;
- not less than 10 books written;
- not less than 3 communes founded;
- grade  — not less than 6 (according to monastery system) for Academy of Yoga students

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Re: The value of Certificates
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2009, 11:09:43 PM »
Dear friends,

Please don't pay too much attention to these people. They are not worth it.
Just look and forget
 :)

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Re: The value of Certificates
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2009, 04:56:38 AM »
It speaks volumes of Russian genius that they categorized advaitic teachers. Indians having had remained slaves of muslims & christians for 1000 years could not develop a proper hierarchy.
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2009, 09:25:12 AM »
Adi Sankaracharya will not fit into any of these categories.
He lived for only 32 years.
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2009, 01:20:56 AM »
Well, the Russians are puny pikers -- my countrymen in the US of A can out guru, out holy spirit and out "plastic jesus" them any day of the week ten times over.

The bottom line, though, is that (excuse me) crap doesn't stick to the truth. 

As soon as a new way is seen to make money out some aspect of "Godbiz", hustlers will soon gather for the feast. 

But heck, all they can take is people's money (well, their time also, which is worth more than money!).  But the truth remains.  Those who are turned off completely on seeking truth would likely never had sought for it in a serious way. The others will have had their appetite whetted for true knowledge -- so, even hustlers probably do some "good" although I'd hesitate to say that it is to their  credit.
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2009, 05:02:47 AM »
Adi Sankaracharya will not fit into any of these categories.
He lived for only 32 years.
Mind you, Adi Sankaracharya  was a pigmy before Ramana.
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Re: The value of Certificates
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2009, 07:55:20 AM »
Dear soham3,

It was a humorous comment from me.
The criteria of the advaitic attestation system is such that the proponent of the advaita (Adi Sankaracharya) himself gets excluded.

I do not want to comment on Adi Sankaracharya's spiritual stature or compare him with anyone.
It is more of personal opinion of individuals.
However the Self which the saints point to is beyond any comparison.
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