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Subramanian.R

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Grace by Eye ( Sakshu diksha)
« on: November 29, 2009, 12:28:34 PM »
Grace by eye contact of Bhagavan and devotees was rare. 
Bhagavan's vision rested on some devotee or other for a very
brief moment during his mouna.  It resulted in tremendous power
accruing to the devotee.  Sometime Bhagavan Ramana would
concentrate that power on someone.  Before answering questions
raised by devotees, Bhagavan sometimes looked at the devotee
closely.  At such moment's it appeared to the devotee as if Bhagavan was seeing with only one eye.  Like a javelin, a ray
would emanate from His eye and pierce the devotee.  It meant
that Bhagavan Ramana scrutinized the inner bing and then replied.
The brilliance of the vision would be like an electric light in utter
darkness.  By that grace all impediments in our sadhana
would be removed enabling us to continue the sadhana, more
effectively.  This could be describing as His gratest grace.  This
is in some cases, more powerful than diksha by touch or upadesa.

(From Sri Ramana Leela, Krishna Bhikshu.)

From other books I find, that persons who got such powerful
Sakshu diksha, were Arthur Osborne, S.S. Cohen, and others.

Arunachala Siva.     

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Re: Grace by Eye ( Sakshu diksha)
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2009, 11:02:27 PM »
I've read that Ramana was conscious about this and expressly said that grace was projected when shown a poem that said it flowed.

Also interesting is that, while photographs were allowed to be taken (any report that they were encouraged?), sound recordings were expressly discouraged (forbidden?) by Ramana.  Why? The simplest answer is that photographs are in keeping with silent teaching while sound recordings can hardly be called "silent" :P  I've read that Ramana's voice was incredibly sweet and melodious to hear so it's a pity from a certain viewpoint that we can't come to hear a recording, but that's the way things are.

Photographs are something else -- we know that many of those who are committed to Ramana's simple path have received grace through a photograph (even with my limited reading, I know of a few instances). 

Sooo, could it be that some of these pictures Ramana was projecting something for the benefit of future devotees?  Did Ramana himself ever mention or hint of such?
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Re: Grace by Eye ( Sakshu diksha)
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2009, 11:31:11 PM »
There can be no doubt that the photo has a part of what is being photographed, energetically speaking.
Every person has his part in photos... many things can be done through photos and many "witches", "magic users", "whatever.." uses it.

My experience is this: whenever i see Ramanas photo, unlike looking at others' photos, my mind stands still instantly. I hold no believe at all but it is just happens whether i want it or not... so it is a fact for me.

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Re: Grace by Eye ( Sakshu diksha)
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2009, 01:48:14 PM »
Dear Chuck Cliff, amiatall, and srkudai,

First about His photographs.  Bhagavan Ramana allowed this because, the people would not come out easily for non-form
worship.  Some form is necessary.  That is perhaps because
there are drawings and pictures of Jesus Christ and even Buddha
who advocated non form worship.  The Teravada Buddhism keeps
a sculpture of Buddha and do arti and garland it too.  Even in
case of Islam, I have seen my Muslim friends, keeping a picture
of Kabba and also the sacred verse No. 786 of the Koran.

Regarding speeches, yes, what you have said is correct.  The
speeches are the bastard children of Silence.  Hence Bhagavan
Ramana never permitted His speeches to be recorded.  A few
who attempted with the old circular discs called gramaphones,
could not record it and Bhagavan Ramana said:  "It will not
be recorded!"   

Regarding Gazing as in the case of Touching, is primarily to
work out the Chidda Suddhi of the persons.  The look clears
up the garbages within.  It is Arunachala Vendhazahal, the
great fire of Arunachala, as Bhagavan Himself puts it in one
of His verses.   Of course, Manodiksha, which is not visible,
is the most potent inititation.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Grace by Eye ( Sakshu diksha)
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2009, 02:30:19 PM »
Dear srkudai,

I strongly believe so.  The realized Jnani can help us to purify our
mind, which, with our own efforts, would take a number of years
or even a number of births.  Muruganar has sung a decad called
Tiru KaN Nokkam, the power of Bhagavan Ramana's eyes.  It comes
in Sri Ramana Sannidhi Murai.

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: Grace by Eye ( Sakshu diksha)
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2009, 02:39:04 PM »
The answer is both are jada, no doubt.

But Bhagavan's body was available to see only till 1950.

But the photographs of Bhagavan Ramana are available even
for post-1950 generations to see and seek His guidance.

Both are formful worships, no doubt.
 
Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: Grace by Eye ( Sakshu diksha)
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2009, 03:48:39 PM »
I am not sure abt it!
you are telling me that by looking into my eyes Ramana can get me to Self Realization?

Who tells so?
Ramana, Jesus, Arunachala... all the same: makes mind still and purifies it. That's all to it.
Removing obstacles is what one needs in ones practice.

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Re: Grace by Eye ( Sakshu diksha)
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2009, 10:55:30 AM »
Bhagavan"s body or His eyes cannot be compared with any one. It looked like a physical form but after His realisation His body became advaidam or pure consiousness. Just looking into His eyes may not helpful for self realaisation. It depends on the person who looks at Him. When the wood is completly dried
it is easy to get fire. One small spark is enough rather the wet wood never get the fire. So people who got realisation in front of him having sakshu diksha
were like dried wood.
Whether people get realisation or not by looking His photograh defintely some spark may enter into their mind. By reading, seeing about Bhagavan with the same
mind, people would become without mind one day.
 I hope in that way.

ramanaduli

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Re: Grace by Eye ( Sakshu diksha)
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2009, 01:45:09 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Sakshu Diksha is of paramount importance.  Do not underestimate
it.  Let us not outdo-Ramana.  It is very valuable, and Devaraja
Mudaliar once had the glimpse of the Self with His eyes. Muruganar
who knows about its secrets has written a decad called Tiru
KaN Nokkam, in Sri Ramana Sannidhi Murai.  Please read that
and the English translation is available in Prof. K. Swaminathan's
book, Ramana's Grace of the Presence.

Arunachala Siva.