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Subramanian.R

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Speaking of women
« on: October 27, 2009, 11:51:22 AM »
Pattinathar and other Siddha poets including the later Sri
Arunagiri Natha were harsh about women in their poems.
The anger was unduly extraordinary.  But this should not be
taken as their general attitude.  They were kind to women,
treated them all as mothers.  They had no grouse against
householdership.  In fact, it is the householders who give
them alms daily!  The undue harsh treatment of women in
their poems is only to highlight the uselessness of great passion
and lust for women, which makes the man go deluded and lose
his path for salvation. 

One sample Pattinathar song:

You are calling a woman's hair pitch dark as rain clouds,
You do not know that it is full of lices and dirt.

You are calling a woman's breasts as two lotus buds,
Don't you know that they are having only blood and fat
     and become withered in years to go.

You are calling a woman's eyes dark as night and shapely
     fish,
Don't you know that they contain dirt at the corners every
     morning?

You are calling a woman's nose as nice as a gingley flower,
Don't you know that it is oozing mucus when catching cold?

You are calling a woman's ears as shapely as mango leaves,
Don't you know that it is saving dirt every day which has
  to be picked with a hairpin?

Do not get angry with Pattinathar.  It is only to beat the
child so that the child may confuse the medicine! 

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Speaking of women
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2009, 12:55:49 PM »
The last sentence should read as:

...so that it may not refuse the medicine.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Speaking of women
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2009, 01:05:21 PM »
Dear Subramaniyn ji


Like pattinathar Adi shankara also sang about the wormen's naval is bad in bhajagovindam but same Shakara discribes Devi's anga lavanya very beautitfully.
Here both are worman only, it is not their figure. The attitude of people who are seeing makes the difference/ If you see with mathru bhava nothing is bad instead
madura bhava makes lots of difference. It is my poor understanding. I may be wrong.


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Re: Speaking of women
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2009, 06:32:33 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

While posting I knew that this post would create a lot of controversies.  In fact, I asked about this aspect to a more
learned person.  He says:

1. Adi Sankara, Tiru Jnana Sambandhar and Bhagavan Ramana
are a class apart.  They became self realized at the ages of
6,3, and 16.  They never had any feeling that woman is a Mother.
Even Sankara wrote about women in Bhaja Govindam and a few
poems, for THE SAKE OF OTHERS.  Tiru Jnana Sambandhar and
Bhagavan Ramana never brought this aspect at all.

2. There were Manikkavachagar, Bilvamangal and Arunagiri
Natha.  They wrote badly about women, because they had
themselves suffered these pangs, before their self realization,
later in their middle ages  They were all married and then came
out of householdership for Self realization.  So, they wrote what
they had suffered before.

3. Siddha Poets are of much later period.  So also Chidambaram
Ramalingam, Pattinathar and Tayumanavar.  These Siddha poets
are always quite strong about women.  In fact, Chidambaram
Ramalingam, Pattinathar are married as per available history.
I do not know about Tayumanavar.  Other than Siddha poets,
no other poets had written so strongly and even so abnoxiously about women.  This was a harsh treatment.

4. For your information, Akka Mahadevi, a spinster-saint-poet,
had written badly about husabnds and men in general!  She
says in one of her poems:

"I will cuckold with Siva.  I shall not want any men who are mortal.  Burn these husbands and men on the kitchen fire!"

5. Saint Poetess like Karaikkal Amma came out of their family,
discarding their husbands.  But they did not write badly about
men at all!       

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Re: Speaking of women
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2009, 06:36:04 PM »
"They never had any other feeling other than that women are Mothers."

Sorry, my typing mistakes are increasing.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Speaking of women
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2009, 05:12:22 PM »
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...I knew that this post would create a lot of controversies
LOL  ;D I doubt you created a controversy -- it's been around o, since whenever there was an ever...

"Woman is the fountain, the fruit and the vine.
Her man is a mountain there all the time.
If woman was a mountain, with her head in the sky,
Her man would be a fountain, bursting with pride."
There's a glory in the morning because the earth turns 'round, and a promise in the evening, when the sun goes down.