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Subramanian.R

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Isaysa Krupaya dhukkam
« on: September 17, 2009, 02:08:44 PM »
All the five elements viz., earth, water, fire, air and Space
are the aspects of Prakruti, Maya, Mother Unnamulai. Mind,
Intellect and Ego are also her making.  She gives all these
and plays with the living beings.  The root of Prakruti, is the
Purusha, the Self or the Brahman.  The Brahman and Maya are
concorporate.  But the Brahman can live without Maya and not
vice versa.  All the Maya swarupam contains misery, dhukkam.
But this is conferred by her only to enable the living being to
attain the Brahman.

Once there was some discussions in the Old Hall.  The devotees
were debating about He and She (Annamalai and Unnamulai).
Someone said that there is no He without She.  In fact He (the
word) is within She (the word).  They were looking at Bhagavan
Ramana for a suitable answer.  Bhagavan Ramana said:  Yes.
No doubt. But He can live without She.  She cannot live without
He.  All word play only.  But it contains all meanings.

The same will hold good with Destiny and Free Will.  They are
like Egg and Hen example of Gaudapada.  Do not discuss, whether
Destiny is first or Free Will is first.  Gaudapada and Sankara
(later in his commentary of Karika) say:  Do not worry about
the egg and the hen.  Break the egg and throw it on the field.
Crush the neck of the hen and throw it on the field.  See the
field, the Prakruti, Earth.  And then see the root of this earth
and all the other elements, mind, ego and intellect.  Stay with
the Self, the Brahman.

Once a devotee came and asked Bhagavan Ramana: "When I
meditate, there are mosquitoes biting me.  What should I do?
Should I kill them or leave them?"

Bhagavan Ramana smiled and asked him:  "What do you meditate?"     

The devotee said: "I am meditating that I am not the body!"

Bhagavan Ramana said:  "Then, it is the same thing that mosquitoes are also telling you.  They are biting you to remind
you that you are not the body, you are not the body!"

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Isaysa Krupaya dhukkam
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2010, 10:10:37 PM »
Subramanian garu,

Can you please tell us the source from where you got this information please?

In Arunachala's Volume III Book pg: 240 it was given as though that guru ramana really did not really participate in the discussion of "He and She (Annamalai and Unnamulai)." It was given that it was ramaswami pillai that told that "He can live without She.  She cannot live without
He.
" and not bhagavan ramana.

Anyhow it seems that guru ramana has enjoyed the complete discussion till tears came to his eyes.

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Re: Isaysa Krupaya dhukkam
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2010, 10:12:01 PM »
Sorry sir it meant Volume IV book and not III as said in my previous mail.

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Re: Isaysa Krupaya dhukkam
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2010, 11:13:11 AM »
The mosquito story appears at a different place, may be in David Godman's books.
The He and She discussion comes, as you said.

Arunachala Siva.