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Seth

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Dear Sirs
My friends are starting following
an caraibian (i think) voodoo 'guru' named MOOJI
and on YOUTUBE channel MOOJIJI (2 times JI)

I know little of these things but he uses in every explanation
Ramana Maharshi's name.
I'm Old but when younger had a friend+, who visited Ramana many times.

So I know Ramana was a vegetarian and that MOO from the UK
that man is not
So how can he speak about God and Love while killing.

He also tells my friends that it does not matter
and it makes no karma once you see that you are god.
At first it made me laugh
He goes around the world with this  .  .  .

Please help me
What must I say to my friends and how can it be possible
that Indians accept this MOO in ARUNACHALA with honors
what is he's claiming.

There are many many western so called NON-DUALITY or (google) ADVAITA  'teachers' on YOUTUBE and
I believe MOST of them  misuse Ramana for Power Sex and Money
like Raneesh did who ended in USA jail.

Can you at least confirm that it is not the right way.

Also I would like to know who was  appointed
by PapaJI as successor and does he gives Mantras

The MOO man gives them OMKARA mantra which to my
humble opinion has a tendency towards the creation  and not to the Creator.
I even believe he uses in a voodoo way that word as a post hypnotic command combines with CD's he sells

Is that Man really received with honor in your community.

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Re: Questions on new western meatv eating popular 'gurus' on Youtube MOOJIJI
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2009, 11:43:00 AM »
Dear Seth,

srkudai has answered some of your points.  If one by virtue of his
habit eats meat and is raised in such a family, like Westerners,
Bhagavan Ramana did not prohibit.  He only said that vegetarian
food in moderate quantities, would help develop sattvic tendencies
in mind and help self enquiry.  The sincere Western devotees like
Chadwick turned to total vegetarianism on their own, in a few years.
Arthur Osborne became a vegetarian a little later in life.  See his
book, the Quest.

Regarding sex, again, it is a matter of mind control.  When Bhagavan
Ramana recommended mind control, He definitely meant moderation
in sex.  But He told householders to remain as householders and not
seek ascetism as a matter of compulsion without any back up of
purity of mind.  It means by same token, permissive sex is definitely
prohibited by Bhagavan Ramana.

Reg. Papaji, I have answered already. 

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Questions on new western meatv eating popular 'gurus' on Youtube MOOJIJI
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2009, 10:13:02 PM »


Dear Srkudai

I could not believe my eyes reading your text

I have The Books
here in front of me
and I have read them often 50 to 30 years ago.
The Gospel of Sri RamaKrishna
The Karma, Jnana and Bhakti Yoga by Vivakananda
The Autobiografy of Paramhansa Yogananda
Another one by Sri Yukteswar


All these different spiritual spheres to call them now here,
were so enormously strict against meat eating which is -as they all agree-  the Rape, Torture and  litteral killing
of The Almighty God, whatever you Name you give  Him,

and my old friend
from the paste
who was a personal friend of Ramana Maharshi
confirmed me it what His Stand  : 110% was all the time
without wavering.
And in an occupied country you don't start waves against the occupier. - He had better things to do -

How is it possible that I, a simple musicien from the west have to defend such Great Indian Param Saints as mentioned above on an Indian Forum ?

They 'thought' only, .  .  of torturing, raping,  killing and then eat would have make them vomitting I can assure you. -

Like you would do when I proposed the same for your family.

And then :
How can you mention 'smoking' which is just a dirty habit & compare with that  and say "even" as if it was worse than the Giant Killing on this planet in 1000 nds and thousands  of Slaughterhouses
and all that .  .  .  for LUST only.

All wars , injustices, all hunger, all griefs, all unhappyness and all so much more find their origin in this over-kill.
It it the Main and almost only trick of the negative power to keep the Jivas in his web and chaurasi, the cycle, , because he cannot make jivas, so he has to prevent them from ascending .  .  .escaping .  .  .

I wouuldn't repeat that statement if I was you, because there is a 'minor'Hâhâ,  little known cosmic law about "speaking bad about others" which is that at the same time you utter it : some of your good karma goes to the offended and some bad karma from that last person goes to the speaker. -
Completely automaticcally as if you putted your personal ID card in the card reader noticing it.

If you read these books I mentioned you will see how all of them condemned this kill with much more words than I do here - specially Sri Yukteswar and Lahiri Mahasaya describing (after he describes the Astral and Causal Heavens), the horrors in the future of those who eat meat.
Kriya is not my direction b.t.w.

I'm much to lazy for such extensive practises.
I can only do some love with a small l.

There is no spiritual Saint in India since all times
proclaiming there is no karma in meat eating :
IT's GIANT.
We witnezss it everywhere around us and on TV News.
And people don't stop to say : "Why , .  .  my God !"

And Ramakrishna was so terribly aware of Bramin that it's really unbelievable that you said that he ate meat .
In His Gospel is stated how he was so strict that it's almost unimaginable.

Again ,  I didn't talk about seekers and and not even
about disciples

I only asked about so called qurus and permit me to have changed the first character, the aspiring, .  . They add double JI to their name on Youtube,
luring other peoples into meat EVEN if those people  were already vegetarian,
telling 'You are God' so it doesn't matter.
They say :
How can God swallow karma.

And by , knowing their best lines, voicings of "good cop vs. bad cop" attacks ,
Hypno voicings and post hypnotic commands like OMKARA  (on CD too) which is the veneration of Shiva  the physical, the creation, the senses and not the Creator  and like
Hitler used the Indian Holy Swastika in reverse ( anti clockwise making it into a Anti Swaztika ) , this OMKARA  is badly spelled, which is so clear a thing, -if used as a mantra it prevents ascent and gives a drug-like calm of hypnosis .  .  it's imprinted on those disciples minds and it is believed - Imaging please that I'm angry.

Of course it's all Karma, but what I write here , It's too.

Jesus had one comment on changing the consciousness of seekers into the negative.
To the bottom of the sea he said literly and he was angry.
Buddha said : There exist no greater sin than this :
"The manipulation of consciousness" and yes

It's thereby that  people like Hitler can do what they do.
You first have too believe it's OK.

And you think this is minor thing and it's just a truth_teller , 
Oh, Hitler started with 50 people, Raneesh too .  .

Seth


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Re: Questions on new western meatv eating popular 'gurus' on Youtube MOOJIJI
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2009, 03:18:37 PM »
Yes I knew about H.

But You Sir, give me the pages of the books
where you read all that
I have them before me

Probably you think : Insulting Saints cannot hurt me because
they forgive me instantly
You are right and so wrong
Because with these lies you insulted also the entire
Indian population and all Hindus world wide
Also those in England, Sir
That might produce some Karma .  .  .  .

So, .  . you repeated these insane insults and I guess you live in Brixton, London UK


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Re: Questions on new western meatv eating popular 'gurus' on Youtube MOOJIJI
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2009, 02:00:32 PM »
I sense some sort of grudge and hate against meat. Mind shouldn't be agitated by such things as eating. Instead better to try to know WHO likes or dislikes meat.
Meat should be avoided if possible especially for practicioners, because it makes mind more peaceful and harmonious. Mind feeds on food, mind feeds on everything that's why such discussions [for and against] are pointless because you are drawn more into maya. When one does enquiry - non-meat eating comes by itself, all qualities come by itself.

Question : What about diet?
Ramana Maharshi : Food affects the mind. For the practice of any kind of yoga, vegetarianism is absolutely necessary since it makes the mind more sattvic [pure and harmonious].

Ramana Maharshi : The quality of food influences the mind. The mind feeds on the food consumed.

Question : Do you recommend that meat and alcoholic drinks be given up?
Ramana Maharshi : It is advisable to give them up because this abstention is a useful aid for beginners. The difficulty in surrendering them does not arise because they are really necessary, but merely because we have become inured by custom and habit to them.

But

Question : Are there restrictions for the realized man with regard to food?
Ramana Maharshi : No. He is steady and not influenced by the food he takes.

Question : Could one receive spiritual illumination while eating flesh foods?
Ramana Maharshi : Yes, but abandon them gradually and accustom yourself to sattvic foods. However, once you have attained illumination it will make less difference what you eat, as, on a great fire, it is immaterial what fuel is added.

While it is very advisable for beginners "Ramana Maharshi : Moderation in food, moderation in sleep and moderation in speech. " one shouldn't argue what sages eat and what not because to them it does not matter. Why?

Because:

someone once commented to Sri Nisargadatta about his smoking. Sri Nisargadatta said if you trace it out, you will see that it is your ‘I am the body’ idea that causes your ‘I see you smoking idea’.

Sri Ramana Maharshi repeated thousands of times the importance of getting rid of the ‘I am the body’ idea. However, the human tendency to identify with the body is so strong, that no matter how many times the sage stresses the importance of getting rid of the ‘I am the body’ idea, a human consciousness still identifies with the body and even imagines that the sage has a body.

Sri Ramana Maharshi has said that the Self is not aware of a body.





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Re: Questions on new western meatv eating popular 'gurus' on Youtube MOOJIJI
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2009, 12:19:45 AM »
Thank you very much - yes this whole discussion
is about teachers.

Not disciples - and Yes you say : for the disciples Ramana agrees : better Not.

You say :
""I sense some sort of grudge and hate against meat. Mind shouldn't be agitated""


Why do you think the Mind is good for, .  .  ? -

Is it not suited & authorized to be angry when your village is burned, the men butchered and burned alive , the women  raped untill they collapse entirely, the children raped tortured and eaten and their bones crushed for the cat toilet
Do you really think your mind should be quite - that's what God ordained.

next the teachers
If they are One with God , it wouldn't matter
it's a situation I'm not in so little to say.
But would you first torture and then eat you little daughter.

Why  do people not think themselves. - Would God rape you?
Would some one, rally  One with The Almighte Rape, kill , overkill ?

And let's be so happy that at least we have one way
of judging the teachers left.

Meat Eating Killers cannot be illuminated not for a second. God would vomit them out of his reach like with Lucifar the moment they come in view HiHi
My Own mind says that - it's cooperating these days somewhat. -

So strange I must say all these things on an Indian Forum.
Hard to understand - no one supporting me.

Is it the end of India as a holy country?

and
your phrase :
""""someone once commented to Sri Nisargadatta about his smoking. Sri Nisargadatta said if you trace it out, you will see that it is your ‘I am the body’ idea that causes your ‘I see you smoking idea’."""

Apart from the Non Issue of smoking :
It's called WOODEN LANGUAGE IN FRANCE "Langue de Bois"
Politicians do it - moving their lips .  .  .  . no sense is there .  .  .  .
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Trying to seem clever while saying nothing or say 4+23=2,  or like President Clinton tried saying:  " It depends of the meaning of the word It !"
all these samples are right and not right .  .  . even the stupid math could be right

It's circulaur reasoning and it is a fraud and deforms your consciousness -
in a sense you know something is bad and you place that thought quickly before the real consciousness, each time " -
A mind trick which is there for the positive, like
a man seeing a nice hooker and quickly
thinking of his wife before it is to late.
But it's much more used to deforme the mind into garbage.

So, with a twisted mind  you'r life has become meaningless , without sense and the Jiva (Soul+Body entity) is lost.

They these days people say : "I'm God""
To such reasoners I'm tended to say :
"Sir, when was your last vacation within the Sun"


and the sun is nothing at all , a snowflock

sven from france

ps
If your personal 'enlightenment' in your ideas goes before preventing
 torture and killing,  .  . 
enlightment will never come because you are Al Capone in the eyes of God 
and you will be part of a big bunch of souls, all in
a Gordean crazy mingle, collected by the devil for many big bang cycles.

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Re: Questions on new western meatv eating popular 'gurus' on Youtube MOOJIJI
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2009, 02:40:41 AM »
Seth, this forum is primarily about Sri Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi, his teachings on Self-enquiry and self-surrender and Arunachala. Whether such and such is a meat eater or not is a distraction to Self-enquiry. My view is it is better to concentrate on Self-enquiry than think about the rights and wrongs of meat eating, which is becoming a distraction and inflammatory.

Paul.

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Re: Questions on new western meatv eating popular 'gurus' on Youtube MOOJIJI
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2009, 03:22:40 PM »
I believe in all three main kinds of yoga
and NONE  is compatible with murder.
All three are combined in Raja
None can be done completely without the 2 others.

Hé SRKUDAI, you made lots of sense now with the bull comparison!
So, you agree about the Sun.

Science / Math  can easily calculate that we do not exist !
So what's left to exist !
And reflecting on that, .  .  .  it gives a kind of Flash in the Mind,
some hormones explode there.
Laughing does that too !
Colin Wilson called it the X-Syndrome
and wrote a whole book with that name.

Make people suffer and then just suddenly end it, .  .  and they have a super flash !
Of knowledge ??  might be - hard to say !
Cold to almost frozen and  warming up and the flashes come like cocaine.
Near Life Experiences , Yes, also. That happens.
Even :
Somebody gives a compliment and the receivers Ego shines like Tempex dynamite. -The stuff that cuts steel.

So they reflect on the scriptures or in front of
a storyteller armed with rhythmic voice spikes and hypnose which is so easy to detect, special hand movements and yes , .  .  .  Flashes come.
but it's not even enough to breath (under water).

And Yet they say I found the Total Truth
of God and karma for my Killing is not affecting me.
I'm God Almighty
The devil cannot catch me !!
No bad sanskaras anymore.

But in a next birth you might even not be
able to read & write after this arrogance !

I don't say Njana doesn't work - I say if genuine
the first you see in Djyan  is about ethics, morality and simple decency.
Do you really take God for a Moron thinking
that He would give grace to a rapist.

Perhaps Vedanta is severely
misunderstood these days
reading thousands texts, ignoring your own IQ
whatever it is, .  .
influencing directly and indirectly
the sad state of our planet
with thousands more suffering than 500 years ago.

You said :
Calmly act without moving, .  .  yes that's what I'm doing here.
My fingers, typing the keys are pushed from within
together with showers of bliss.

And Pauly :
quoting your horrible line :
""""Whether such and such is a meat eater or not is a distraction to Self-enquiry.
My view is it is better to concentrate on Self-enquiry than think about the rights
and wrongs of meat eating, which is becoming a distraction and inflammatory."

BOO - BOO - moo ,  Have you any sense of decency ?

What you said is like :
Don't bother the calm mind of Auschwitz Kapo about his work, .  . killing a Thousand a day
because it might affect
his beautiful sermon in church each sunday.

Isn't Paul the first name of the moo
If so, you add lots of  KARMA while sitting in that little chair of you.
And it's not pleasant.
re-think & re-read what I wrote about Buddhas opinion
on twisting innocent minds.
And what Jesus said where the manipulators of consciousness belong.
Can you swimm ?
Why doing it, you have not enough lifespan to enjoy the Rollse Royces like Raneesh.

                 ______________

The following is from your site : MOOJI.ORG
mentioned on Youtube MOOJIJI.

Anthony Paul Moo-Young, known as Mooji, was born
on 29 January 1954 in Port Antonio, Jamaica.
 
In 1969, he moved to the UK and he is presently living in Brixton, London.
Anthony worked in London's 'West end' as a street portrait artist
for many years, then as a painter and a stained glass artist, and
later as a teacher at Brixton College.
For a long time, he was well known as Tony Moo, but is now affectionately known as Mooji*
by the many seekers and friends who visit him.
Mooji is a direct disciple of Sri Harilal Poonja, the renowned advaita master, or Papaji,

My Goodness

sven

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Re: Questions on new western meatv eating popular 'gurus' on Youtube MOOJIJI
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2009, 04:08:32 PM »
I suggest for Seth to read this answer about meat by Premjit:

http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=8e8d44d8c90e8b642ac05758a779ceba&topic=3505.msg9344#msg9344

And some quotes from ramana:
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There is nothing wrong with God's creation. Mystery and Suffering only exist in the mind...
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Wanting to reform the world without discovering one's true self is like trying to cover the world with leather to avoid the pain of walking on stones and thorns.
It is much simpler to wear shoes.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2009, 02:11:44 PM »
I type this  a split second after reading the latest statements.

You ask me to attack the teachings of Ramana Maharshi
which I will not.
Not on this Forum where I'm respectfully received
and not deleted as on so many paniqued NON-DUALITY Places
like youtube.
I can mention all those the who cannot stand free speech but not here.

The point is : as with ALL MAJOR TRUTH,

Relativity is always ignored,
In every question One has to reason, it all depends FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF .  .  . 
because it's so simple : Both perspectives are True

It's always Yes and NO at the same time

fi :
God's existence :
HINDUISME +Yes  ;  Buddhisme = No, Ramana = Who's asking
Yes and no mean the same here

Do we have a Free Will :
God : NO , zero  ;  Human :  Yes  ;  Ramana = Who's asking


and now :
Do people suffer

Who is it that will come  come back here - Would it be Me ?

Are there any record of
Arunchala theories supporting people during their last seconds ?
Those seconds that reveal the truth ?

Did they go in complete peace ?
Like Who's is suffering , dying .  .  .  .
WHAT ME BROUGHT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE IS THE FACT
THAT THE TEACHING ARE USED GREATLY
TO JUSTIFY BAD BEHAVIOR
(.  .  and please don't ask me what's bad  .  .  bad and good are in the consciousness and should not be maniputated and corrupted like they
do with the child soldiers , next capable to murder entire villages .  .
should we ask : WHO IS MURDERING THOSE 800 WOMEN RAPED PER DAY ,.  . )
SO INCREASING IT, NOT ASK FOR FORGIVENESS, FOR TOP 10 ARROGANCE, like the
nasty Angels in the Bible
FOR ENDING INQUIRY ON OUR SELF, .  .  .
like here : You just take the book

Like the Christian do with their book which was in custody of
the mafia at least 1000 years.

On the web and elsewhere the teachings are used FOR FRAUD AND CORRUPTION

Still,  I'm here on a Indian forum aspiring spirituality, people say,  Am I ?  Who is ?
What's the meaning of "It"

and amazingly 99,99 % is SILENT , Silence, .  .    Let's hope it's only  holidays ?

sven

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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2009, 04:50:32 PM »
So, .  .  I left for anther Room after typing
and there was on TV on Discovery Channel
a report on how some meat end pruducts are made
and about the speed of the machines.

A football field per hour
2 meters high per factory
Lot's of sugar in the end_substance

Now, if This was produced from Indian Babies, .  .  .
would you still repeat
Even if they took your already dead parents you would protest .  .  .

You have no self knowledge, was said  .   . so
"Love ,
Silence, Silence "

Was Arjuna silent,  .  .  .  No,   . . . so was He a fool  ?

Y'r really invite the worst for yourself
on your head by this indifference
and referring to books, suiting you  .  .  .

And that's worst and more what we see on the News !

You know you just have to
like God and his creatures



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Re: Questions on new western meatv eating popular 'gurus' on Youtube MOOJIJI
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2009, 05:17:13 PM »
Dear Seth,

This world is dual. Duality implies opposites, good/bad, man/women, day/night etc. Only in a nondual reality could exist the world that you long for.

In a dream, the mind creates a world with peoples, buildings, mountains etc..  All the different caracters in the dream seem to have an individual personality and act without you, the dreamer. 

You cannot change illusion, you can only realise that it is illusion. Once you have awaken from a dream, would you get involve in changing what was "immoral" in the dream? As long as you "see" a snake in a rope, you will think of different means to prevent an attack. Once you realise it is only a rope...what is there to do?

The SELF is Eternal. Everything in this world is transient and consequently it can only be a fleeting appearance IN REALITY, NOT IT!
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2009, 05:22:50 PM »
Personally i don't deny BAD and GOOD. But at the same time I know that THAT which created this world
knows how to handle it. So, what can I do? Firstly, "know yourself" - that's what i am trying to do,
secondly after clearly and completely knowing myself I can take action which will be in alignment with
One and not with my egocentric understanding of "good" and "bad". Unless i know the Truth, what AM I to
judge what is "good" and what is "bad"? We don't see a bigger picture, for example, a woman was raped,
maybe she/he raped someone in previous life and that's why this experience unfolding for her here in this life?
When you dream, you have various journeys through which you see many disastrous and not disastrous
things, but when you wake up do you suffer? No. Because you know clearly that was just a dream. So, the
only means to end suffering is to wake up. If you fight in dream you will bring more suffering that's
all. But when you wake up and understand that only LIGHT exists, then you are LIGHT unto the world which
is more of a help than fighting and arguing and hating those who do "bad". World starts to heal by itself
because of your BEING.

Now, silence is wonderful. That's the main message Ramana gave to everyone. Better to remain silent than to take up the burden WHICH IS NOT YOURS IN THE FIRST PLACE and then suffer and make a lot of fuss about with no results and more suffering.

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2009, 05:38:45 PM »
dear nonduel and srkudai,

excellent explanations. thank you

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Re: Questions on new western meatv eating popular 'gurus' on Youtube MOOJIJI
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2009, 11:39:11 AM »
Dear srkudai, Seth, nonduel, paul, amiatall and others,

In the end, there will be time, there will be time,
When everything looks alike.

Each according to his inclination.  What is important to be true to oneself
and get past all illusions.

Arunachala Siva.