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This talk of Purva Janma, the previous birth
« on: August 21, 2009, 01:53:11 PM »
Most of the Hindus are curious about the previous birth, next
birth etc.,  I do not know about religions like Christianity, who
trust in single birth.

Some devotees who came to the Hall, were also eager on this
question of previous birth.  They thought a Jnani like Bhagavan
Ramana could give them the details of previous birth.

Once a devotee asked Bhagavan Ramana:  Bhagavan!  Please
tell me about my previous birth, you are Bhagavan!

Bhagavan kept silent for some time.  Then He smiled and told
the devotee:  If I am Bhagavan, then there is nothing in this universe,
other than me.  If I am not Bhagavan, then I do not know anything
about purva janma, like you.

Theeram il agathil thedi unthanai yan
tirumba utren aruL Arunachala!

                                    - Verse 45 - Sri Arunachala Akshara Manamalai.

This verse is interpreted in three ways.

1. Seeking You with but weakly, I came back, unrewarded.  Help
me, O Arunachala!

2. Deficient though my effort was, by Your Grace, I got you
the Self, O Arunachala!

If one takes the first word Theeramil, as Dheeramil, (in Tamil,
there is only 'tha' which is also used as 'dha' in poetics. Dheeram
is boundary, distance. Dheeramil means boundless, distance-less,

3. Seeking You in the Infinite Self, I regained my own (Self),
O Arunachala!

Devotees go to the Hall, with strong mind or weak mind.  The strongest minds like Yogi Ramaiah and Muruganar, kept silent
or poured out poetry.  The weak minds like the above devotee,
asked questions about previous birth, Indraloka, concept of
Hell and Heaven etc.,

Arunachala Siva.


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Re: This talk of Purva Janma, the previous birth
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2009, 07:13:00 PM »
Dear srkudai,

Bhagavan Ramana avoided all such questions which are not
relevant for Atma Vichara.  In Verse 19 of Sad Darsanam,
He makes out the same point in a different way.  He says
that Destiny and Free will are only for persons who lack
discrimination {between untruth and Truth).  The seeker
will always look for the root of this question, the questioner,
the ego and route that out.  In Sri Arunachala Nava Mani Maalai,
He sings:  O Annamalai!  On the day you ruled over me, you have
taken away my ego and body.  What deficiency is there for me?
You are the master of my deficiency and fullness.  I shall not
consider these two.  You do whatever you do.  O my eye of the
eye, pelase give me only abundant love to your feet."  (Verse 7)

When the ego and body are strong, people think of their free will.
When body becomes sick or old, the ego gets burst.  Then they
say:  It is all Destiny.  God's will!   A Jnani transcends both since
he has no ego or body.

Arunachala Siva.