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matthias

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Re: Heart alone is necessary for Atma Jnana
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2009, 11:14:14 AM »
yes also in dzogchen the self liberated nature is beyond action, the style of contemplation is "like an old man basking in the sun"

in fact one of the greates living dzogchen masters is called "chatral" rinpoche...wich means actionless, or beyond activity...and rinpoche means precious one...

it says
just relaxe and stop to climb up any mountains....you are naturally perfect...

if you avoid thoughts, or if you create extra thoughts you will miss their inherent self liberated nature...because in hte moment the thought arises it is self liberated in its own ground....you need no antidote to liberate thoughts as chögyal namkhai norbu rinpoche one of my teachers would say...

here ground means the actionless motionless presence

so the moving and thinking mind is self liberated activity...if there is thinking you can be sure that the buddha nature is present..

so this shows that there is no gap between self (buddhanature) and thoughts, the self is totally present in thinking...

its just about recognition..

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matthias




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Re: Heart alone is necessary for Atma Jnana
« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2009, 12:13:47 PM »
In this connection,  I remember the book called The Myth of
Sisyphus by Albert Camus.  Sisyphus has been cursed by gods
and they give him a peculiar punishment.  He is asked to roll
up a large stone from the foot hills to the summit of the hills.  He
takes one full day and rolls it up.  He rests for a few hours at
the summit.  In the morning, he only finds that the stone has
fallen back to the foot hills!  He has to roll it up again.  This is
an endless exercise for Sisyphus, something worse than death
by execution.  After some good length of time, Sisyphus trusts
that the rolling of the stone should itself be taken as a matter
of self-awareness.  He enjoys the job.  He gets a few hours sleep.
Fine.  He takes pleasure in rolling up the stock ad infinitum....

Our mind is like Sisyphus.  The mind rolls up the thoughts all day
long.  After a few hours sleep.  The mind again takes up the
thoughts - which is stone, to roll it up, from the next morning till
night.  When Sisyphus realizes, there is no stone, no rolling,
all only Sisyphus, which is mind, merged in the Self.  Bhagavan
Ramana says, you merge the mind in the Self.  Then even if mind
has to roll up the thoughts, you will not bother, because there is
no mind, and only the Self does everything!

Arunachala Siva.       

matthias

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Re: Heart alone is necessary for Atma Jnana
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2009, 02:18:14 PM »
I would like to show this video of my teacher, its short and wonderful explanation of dzogchen and the self liberated state:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHmaBRlmYNw


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Re: Heart alone is necessary for Atma Jnana
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2009, 07:45:07 PM »
If you sit with closed eyes and just relax, and then just notice the thoughts as they arrise, one finds that they sprout from "emptiness" by themselves. If you just notice them without interfering in any way, just being a witness to them, you will find that they surge and dissolve by themself. Then another thought surges and the cycle keeps repeating itself. The illusion is the belief that these thoughts are ourselves. They only appear on awareness, images on a screen.

Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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Re: Heart alone is necessary for Atma Jnana
« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2009, 04:38:34 PM »
I guess you'll like him  :D

I for my part love him everyday a little more :)