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Subramanian.R

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The Greatest Blunder in philosophy
« on: August 18, 2009, 10:43:25 AM »
In the world's philosophy, the greatest blunder was committed
by Dascretes who said:  I think, therefore I am!

Nothing can be farther from truth than this.  One does not become
Real, just because he is thinking.  One is Real and therefore he
thinks.  Even this thinking is not necessary to realize the Real,
the Self.  There are plants and animals , which do not think as
we do, but they are Real.  They know their reality within.  They
can not tell it outside, that is all.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: The Greatest Blunder in philosophy
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 12:46:53 PM »
Suddenly i had an urge to write.
Descartes couldn't find any answer to his nature so he bumped into "I am thinking therefore I exist". But the problem was that he didn't stop thinking or did he?

Dear Subramanian,
what if we looked from other angle into this?:  'I' is thinking therefore 'I' exists. It's a very subtle message, though I doubt that thinker (Descartes) was aware of it himself. 

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Re: The Greatest Blunder in philosophy
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 05:18:07 PM »
Dear amiatall,

Your response with two alternates.  Firstly, I do not know whether
Dascretes stopped thinking in his life.  But I trust he started with
a wrong premise.  He must have definitely felt that He Was, even
during deep sleep, when there were not thoughts.  But he could
tell that only next morning.

Secondly, if he meant ego or mind by the word I, then perhaps
he was closer to the Truth.  It is the mind, which thinks, thinks
about I, You and He -- the first person, the second person and third
person.   Bhagavan Ramana says that one who is in the Self, does
not think about the three pronouns at all.  See Sad Darsanam, Verse 14.

Similarly there is no time and space in the Self realized state.  The
deep sleep is a small sample of that self realized state.  In deep sleep, where is the time and space? See Sad Darsanam, Verse 16.

In Verse 15 in between, of Sad Darsanam, Bhagavan Ramana says further:  There is no present tense, past tense and future tense,
in thoughtless state of Self realization.  This is the power of NOW,
as one Western writer puts in his recent book.  We are tense in
life because we are always thinking about these three tenses in
our lives.  There is no tension, when we live in NOW!

Arunachala Siva.