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amiatall

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Understanding "who am I?"
« on: July 28, 2009, 09:16:15 PM »
Why such topic is needed again and again? Because looking around and seeing that there are a lot of who have not correctly understood what Ramana meant by this method.  it is very important to understand how to practice this particular method which Ramana gave to people.

How do you understand the process of "who am I"?
Any experience and knowledge will help many to start on the right path from the beginning.




Subramanian.R

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Re: Understanding "who am I?"
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2009, 10:31:50 AM »
Dear amiatall,

I shall begin by giving a few steps.  First, what is this 'I' in
the question?  For people who think that I is the body or the
mind or ego, then they have to ask this question again and
again and contemplate on the deep sleep state.  Who is sleeping?
If it is the body, then are you aware of that body in sleep?  No.
Are you the mind?  If it is the mind, it works only in wakeful
and dream states.  But in deep sleep, it is in suspended animation.
Are you aware of that mind in sleep?  No.  So, you are not the mind
either.

Now, start reading Who am I?  Read it again and again everyday
at a fixed hour or even when you are otherwise free. Read preferably
the Question and Answer version.  Most of us, will understand it
in a first few readings.  But is it the intellectual understanding,
that is needed for Self realization?  No, definitely not.  The intellectual understanding is only to negate the (neti-neti) non-Self aspects.
The five kosas, or sheaths, the mind, the ego, the mindstuff, the
intellect and even the hidden tendencies, or vasanas.

To every question of Who am I?, read the answer given by Bhagavan Ramana to M.Sivaprakasam Pillai.  And then, answer it yourself.
Are you getting the same answers?  Then proceed.  In case you
forget to put into use the answers, then start all over again.
Contemplate these answers vigorously and many many times.....

I have done this.  It has worked for me.  I am sure it will work
for every one else too.  The only key point is, have faith in
Bhagavan Ramana's words.  Do not try to find from books what
Sri Sankara or Sri Ramanuja have told.  This faith is paramount.

Arunachala Siva.       

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Re: Understanding "who am I?"
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2009, 11:39:42 AM »
Thank you for your post!

I have just asked myself these questions for a week.Sometimes, the question will disappear, leaving the feeling of oneness.

I am not making conflict but I have to be frank to myself:whenever the question disappear and becomes quiet, then I will think :am I fooling myself?Is directing my attention from thoughts to 'Who am I' an excuse to stay away from problems/truths?If it is , then why I practice 'who am i'?Is that state still in the mind?

It seems that I really lack a confirmation;the confirmation that the silence is really the truth.I know in you people's eyes, i am stupid.But it's just that.

I show my strong conviction that I need the truth<--Is it my thought that I am most addicted to?I don't know!Maybe I am here to find other people to tell me What I am doing is not crazy.I just don't want to believe in something..........................................................

THank you!
« Last Edit: July 30, 2009, 11:43:12 AM by Awareness »

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Re: Understanding "who am I?"
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2009, 12:00:26 PM »
Dear Awareness,

Glad to see your post.  If there is no answer to your question,
then you stay in Awareness.  This staying should become
permanent.  That question should itself die, as the stick that
stirs the funeral pyre, gets burnt at the end.  Only getting
an answer, 'I am this or I am not this...' shows that one has
to practise further.  If no answer arises, it is a good beginning.
This no-answer situation should abide in you permanently.
That is all.  Do not bother about others. 

Once someone made a remark in Tiruvannamalai, when Bhagavan
and Seshadri Swami were in body. He said:  There are a lot of
crazy fellows in the Hill.  Bhagavan Ramana said:  "In my count,
there are only three crazy fellows in Tiruvannamalai.  One is
Arunachaleswara himself, because he is naked, wearing serpents
and Brahma's skulls, having unmatha flowers on his locks and
fire on hand.  The other two are Seshadri and Me!" 

Who is really crazy, the time will tell.

Arunachala Siva. 

amiatall

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Re: Understanding "who am I?"
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2009, 09:19:34 PM »
I am not making conflict but I have to be frank to myself:whenever the question disappear and becomes quiet, then I will think :am I fooling myself?Is directing my attention from thoughts to 'Who am I' an excuse to stay away from problems/truths?If it is , then why I practice 'who am i'?Is that state still in the mind?

Hello Awareness, to tell you the truth, your nickname is the answer to all your questions, but ill try to transfer my understanding anyway, maybe it will help.

When the question disappears and becomes quiet, then who will think "am I fooling myself?" ?.
It is important to understand that "who am I" is not a mantra.
Ramana wants you to be attentive with your self, not with the question, question itself just points to self. If you understand where this question points to, then no questions are needed for the practice, as soon as you are in the jungle of thoughts again you ask "to whom these thoughts?" and your attention comes back, but actually you don't need to ask such question, because the thought itself shows that your attention ran away, so, since the thought itself becomes the indicator, your attention automatically returns back without any questioning.
Now, where you are stuck is: "is this thought bigger than that thought?", it is all the same: problem, no problem, you are that or that, that how it should be or shouldn't be, it is all of the mind.
Be concerned about the one who is aware of silence and other things and try subtly to find its source.

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Re: Understanding "who am I?"
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2009, 06:50:51 AM »
Thank you, Subramanian.R and amiatall.

Amiatall and Subramanian.R, you are right. Now I see that the self-enquiry questions aim at drawing my attention back.But in the past, when the question disappears, my mind starts to entice me:'think who am I.Why don't you think?'Actually it is not Ramana Maharshi's teaching but the game of mind!

And I can also see I am stuck in two thoughts, thinking which one is true.You are right that it is all of the mind.when my attention comes back, I can see clearly that I am not the thoughts.

Well, i start to cast doubt on why I felt confused with these thoughts.:)

Thank you very much!

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Re: Understanding "who am I?"
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2009, 09:27:49 AM »
Now i realize Ramana Maharshi is telling the truth:asking 'Who am I' and stay in that feeling.That is all that needs to be done.