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srkudai

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When is meditation required ?
« on: July 13, 2009, 06:01:32 PM »
When the mind is matured and pure, if self knowledge is presented, its atonce understood and the person is realized once and for all. This is well known. But this piece of knowledge is not very useful for most of us. Coz practically no one amongst us may be lucky enough to possess such a pure mind.
Even sages of the old had to meditate.
Meditation comes into picture only when the Truth is understood but "Forgotten". That is, its clear how i am the self, but when moments of trials and tirbulations arise, i forget it. And that is when meditation is absolutely necessary.

For an ignorant person, meditation is useless. People who think they will know truth through meditation are mistaken.

Meditation or Samadhi practices [infact all sadhana] is required when the Truth is understood, seen ... but one is still forgetting it... one is not able to own up one's True nature. Its like this:
"you are complete" , this is a very beautiful statement from our scriptures.
I initially do not understand that i am complete.
with the help of a guru who exposes layer by layer of my inner architecture, i see that i am complete.
when with the guru i feel complete, but afterwards when i come out i am affected by what people say, how they treat me etc ... that means i need meditation or sadhana.

So in meditation or sadhana ... i inquire into who this "I" is who is getting "attacked" by various happening in the mind. Not that ill reason it out ... but i'll find this "I" and resolve it at its source which is "Consciousness"--- and then i see how no thought can really touch me! That is meditation.

To resolve the "I" into its source is meditation ... call it inquiry, samadhi or what ever.

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Re: When is meditation required ?
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2009, 06:38:21 PM »
Dear srkudai,

Meditation is required to ward off all thoughts.  Then the thoughtless
state occurs and this is Jnana.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: When is meditation required ?
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2009, 09:01:57 PM »
Dear srkudai,

This is a matter of contention, I think, between us, since one year.
One can possibly improve it by saying  Egoless state or Vasana-less
state is Jnana.  Sankara says in Vivekachoodamani:  Vasana-kshyam
moksham.

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: When is meditation required ?
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2009, 03:24:15 PM »
Dear srkudai,

Yes.  We can agree that the vasanas-less state is Jnana, not merely
thoughtless state or egoless state.  After all, Sankara cannot be
incorrect.

Regarding Nandi, this was again explained in one of my trips to
Tiruvannamalai.  The gentleman says that there are three types
of Nandis.  One looking at Siva Lingam intently and nothing else,
something like divya drishti as Bhagavan Ramana says.  On the
second occasion, when it comes to the role of Siva's vehicle, it
looks outside, with all pride and glory that he is the vehicle of
Siva.  In fact, the Puranas say it was Narayana who became a
bull, when Siva's chariot broke when he was to start for Tripura
Samhara.  The third one is that Nandi is looking downwards to its
right chest.  It is looking at the Heart-Centre, the seat of Atma for
seekers, as Bhagavan Ramana taught.

Arunachala Siva.