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ramanaduli

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Becoming famous after samadhi
« on: June 26, 2009, 06:32:49 PM »
Mostly saints become famous after their samadhi. People have doubt when they are living. Why does it happen. After their samadhi they built temple or adhistanam do puja and then slowly there will be crowd. Because people do not have the power to understand them. On the other hand when Bhagavan
was alive people came from all over the world.
2ndly, if we have a guru  is it wrong to visit other guru and listen his discourse.
I think saints also have destiny.


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Re: Becoming famous after samadhi
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2009, 06:49:16 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

A few saints become famous even their lifetime in the world.
Sri Sankara, Tiru Jnana Sambandha and Jnana Deva are
such examples.  Some become famous after their lifetime.
Like Seshadri Swamigal and Polur Vittoba.  It is all there
in God's design.

One can always go to other Guru, even if he is faithful to the
first one.  There is nothing wrong.  But one has to pray to
him treating him as his own Guru's form.  Bhagavan said this
when Kunju Swami went to Kovilur Math and came back without prostrating to that Guru.  Bhagavan Ramana chided Kunju
Swami and said:  "What is there?  You can always pray to him
as if he is my Form.  This is pure advaita."

Arunachala Siva.     

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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2009, 06:53:43 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Saints do have prarabdha, but it is only for their body.
There is pain.  But since they do not have the mind, they
feel the pain very mildly for the sake of onlookers.  Eg.
Bhagavan Ramana during His terminal cancer time of two
years.  Sri Chandrasekhara Saraswati of Kanchi had cataract
operation and started wearing thick glasses.  Seshadri Swamigal
had a high pneumonia before passing away.

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: Becoming famous after samadhi
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2009, 07:25:30 PM »
Thanks for the reply. Whenever we have the chance to see other guru, we have to see our own guru's form in him. Very beautiful explaination.
In the same way when we go to temple, we stand in front of each sanadhi and say slokam. Like Ganesha, Karthik, Dhashinamoorthy, Durga, and main god and goddess. But some people say, for spiritual sadhana we should keep one guru or one god.


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Re: Becoming famous after samadhi
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2009, 08:20:13 PM »
I practice mostly dzogchen buddhism, wich has similarities to advaita vedanta..

there exists a very important practice called "guruyoga" in short: here you merge with the mind of your master(s), you visualize guru padmasambhava and you see him as the embodiement of all your teachers that showed you the nature of mind or gave you other spiritual insights..

so bhagawan is always part of the visualisation. indeed I always felt a deep resonance with both "padmashambava" and "ramana" I walways felt them to be one...and in fact I see all my teachers as manifestations of bhagawan (as he said me that he will bring me in contact with several teachers..and shortly afterwards I started to meet spiritual teachers...he is indeed a great guide, I feel him to be the greatest guide for our time....)

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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2009, 12:14:50 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

In the beginning, it is good to keep one Guru and one God
for praying and meditation.  But in due course, you will find
all gods are your god's form and all gurus are your guru's
form.  I had a friend of mine, who used to pray to Venkateswara
as Tirupati Muruga!  It is not matter for laughing.  It is true.
Even today, I go to Murugan's temple near by every Monday.
There,  I pray to Muruga, 'Annamalai Muruga!'.  In fact, the
Muruga called Gopura Subrahmanya and Subrahmanya at
the Pillar [from where Arunagiri Natha had a vision of
Muruga's dancing when he was having debate with Sambandha
Andan in Tiruvannamalai] at the Northern Towers of Tiruvannamalai are not different from the Bangalore Muruga
for me.  Then, I see Ganapati and pray: Annmalai Ganesha!'
In fact, the Ganapti called Thirai Konda Vinayakar [ a small
stone image at the Northern Towers of Tiruvannamalai; there
is a story behind his name, thirai konda... this Ganapti took
monthly privy purse from a robber king whom he threatened,
when the king had come to plunder Tiruvannamalai!]  This
Thirai konda Vinayaka is the same as the Ganapati in this
nearby temple for me.  Similarly I pray to Annamalai Narayana,
before the stone image of Narayana and Annamalai Nataraja
before the beautiful Natarja metal icon in the same temple.
All gurus are Ramana for me.  This is a definite attitude that
I have developed.

Kavyakanta Ganapati Muni sings in  Sri Ramana Gita: 
"I pray to the Maharshi who is Skanda.  He is not different
from Skanda of Tiruttani or Swamimalai or in Tirupati. he is
very much here in Virupaksha Cave.  Why differentiate?"
This is the Truth.   

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2009, 12:25:29 PM »
Dear matthias,

Fantastic.  The guruyoga is a splendid expression.  What is
yoga? It is union.  All gurus are in union as one.  Again you
used the word  "Padmasambahva", one who is born on lotus.
The lotus or kamalam, Padmam, in Sanskrit is quite meaningful
and pregnant with inner meanings too.  All Gurus are called
Padmam.  Guru's feet are always prayed as lotus.  They
say in Sanskrit 'Saranaravindam - Lotus feet.'  Aravindam
is another name for lotus. Muruganar uses this word
Aravindam, for describing Bhagavan Ramana's lotus feet
in his various compositions.  Saint poet Manikkavachagar
uses the word lotus at least 50 times in his famous Tiruvachakam.  One of Sankara's disciple is called Padmapada.
Lotus or Padmam is quite insightful.  It is used to describe
the God/Guru's form, his feet, his face, his eyes, his heart,
her breasts [if she is a goddess as in the case of Abhirami or Lalita] etc.,

Thanks for your insights.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Becoming famous after samadhi
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2009, 01:36:30 PM »
http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Guru_Padmasambhava

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Re: Becoming famous after samadhi
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2009, 02:27:20 PM »
Dear Subramaniyan ji

Actually, I have not got the opportunity to learn without any doubts from the learned masters. All my relatives do just all traditional pujas but none of them do meditation or atma vichara. I do not know why I used to get lots of questions from my childhood, As they do not know the answer they say, obey what elders they say. I started reading books for my answer. even today also none of my people do.They are happy what are they doing, Anyway, I am not blaming them. So I used to ask whoever doing pujas, and learnt little bit. When I met one srividhya upasaki, she said she is not supposed to go another guru and do namaskarams. etc etc. She also could not clear my doubts. It is Bhagavan's grace I got Who I am book and slowly I started following His steps i.e. atma vichara. It is like a k.g. student. And through this
forum I get some clearence. Many great saints do like what you have said. That EKA BHAVAM should come. When I saw Shiridi baba serial there also baba showed the repective gods to their devotees. Akoalkot maharaji's devotee had darshan when he went to baba. Here baba showed all are one. Whereas you have
that manobhavam to see Bhagavan everywhere. It is true when we see all are one, then there would not be another form or name.
Thank you once again.

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Re: Becoming famous after samadhi
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2009, 03:31:35 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Yes.  Ekabhavam is important.

Regarding learning, each one's interest varies according
to his prarabdha.  There are many who do not know about
various saints of Tamil Nadu, even though they are living
there for generations.  Secondly, questioning mind is also
good.  That is the way to know the Truth.  There are many
devotees who came to Bhagavan Ramana and asked Him
questions day in and day out.  Nobody can be as patient
as Bhagavan Ramana.  He explained everything with great
patience.  You can see, regarding mind and ego, how many
devotees have asked questions to Bhagavan Ramana, in
different ways and with different words.  He answered
them depending upon their state of maturity.  It may look
like different answers but Bhagavan Ramana is
always consistent in His central theme.  Only words may vary
depending upon the questioner.  If a Upasaki like your
friend did not want to go to another guru, it is her mindset.
Only mantras have to be learnt through a guru.  This does
not mean that she cannot go and pray to another Guru.  Again,
if she does not answer/clarify your points, this shows only
her level of understanding of Devi Upasana.  Lalita is
guru-mantra roopini.  She is in the form of Guru-mantra,
any guru for that matter.  She is the Who am I?,  She is the
Alla Malik hai, as Shirdi Sai Baba said.

Arunachala Siva.