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Maharshi's Gospel and Talks - 37
« on: June 25, 2009, 12:48:25 PM »
Talk No. 28, describes the aids to concentration and removal
of distractions between a devotee and Bhagavan Ramana.
The devotee then asked:

Q:  If 'I' also be an illusion, who then casts off the illusion?

Bhagavan:  The 'I' casts off the illusion of 'I' and yet remains
as 'I'.  Such is the paradox of Self-Realization!  The realized
do not see any contradiction in it.  Take the case of bhakti --
I approach and pray to the be absorbed in Him.  I then surrender myself in faith, and by concentration.  What remains afterwards?  In place of the original 'I', perfect self-surrender
leaves a residuum of God in which the 'I' is lost.  This is the
highest form of devotion, Parabhakti, Prapatti, surrender or
the height of Vairagya.  You give up this and that of 'my'
possessions.  If you give up the 'I' and 'Mine' instead, all
are given up at a stroke.  The very seed of possession is
lost.  Thus the evil is nipped in the bud or crushed in the
germ itself.  Dispassion, Vairagya must be very strong to do
this.  The eagerness must be equal to that of a man kept under
water trying to rise up to the surface for his life.

Devotee:  It is said that Divine Grace is necesary to attain
successful undistracted mind.  Is that so?

Bhagavan:  We are God [Iswara].  Iswara Drishti, i.e, Seeing
ourselves, is itself Divine Grace.  So we need Divine Grace
to get God's Grace!

Bhagavan Ramana smiles and all devotees laugh together!

Devotee:  There is also Divine Favour [Iswara anugraham],
as distinct from Divine Grace, Iswara Prasadam.  Is that so?

Bhagavan:  The thought of God is Divine Favour!  He is
by nature Grace, Prasadam or AruL.  It is by God's Grace
that you think of God.*

[**Saint Manikkavachagar sings in Tiruvachakam, Siva Puranam, Avan AruLale avan thaL vanangi.  I am praying
to his feet only because of his grace.]

Devotee:  Is not the Master's Grace the result of God's Grace?

Bhagavan:  Why distinguish between the two?  The Master
is the same as God and not different from him.

Arunachala Siva.   


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Re: Maharshi's Gospel and Talks - 37
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2009, 09:06:29 PM »
Dear subramaniyan ji

It is true that due to His grace we go to temple and do nama japa. But we cannot comunicate with God as we do with our friends. We wish for it but still
we do not. Here every one says it is prarabtha. Even Bhagavan also accepts the prarabtha.
Now after long discussion I know we are all eternal, "I" is the consciousness ever born and ever die. But this consiousness dwells in this body which
needs food, clothing and house. So the world appears and all the problems which never ends. So how to ignore these problems. It is not necessary to worry about our consiousness because nothing is going to happen to this. But we can pray for worldly problems. The highly evolved person only can pray just as his duty. He knows the creator will look after His creation's needs. but 99% people pray for worldly things only.



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Re: Maharshi's Gospel and Talks - 37
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2009, 11:43:24 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Yes.  Prarabdha is there for a seeker.  The mind/ego acts
due to prarabdha.  Even if one goes to the temple, he does
not see and pray to God in the real sense and all along he
thinks about the footwear he had left behind at the entrance
of the temple.  Or someone else thinks of the sweet pongal
or puliyodharai that might be distributed soon.  Or someone
else looks at the beautiful girl standing in the opposite row!
What to do?  "It is in ourselves, we are thus and thus" said

Arunachala Siva.