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Maharshi's Gospel and Talks - 32
« on: June 24, 2009, 02:18:51 PM »
Talk No. 477 describes the conversation between Mrs.
Jinaradasa and Bhagavan Ramana.

Devotee:  How shall we able to remember the truth expeienced
in dreams?

Bhagavan:  Your present waking state, you dreams and your
desire to remember are all thoughts.  They arise only after
the mind has arisen.  Were you not existing in the absence of

Devotee:  Yes. I was.

Bhagavan:  The fact of your existence is also your realization.

Devotee:  I understand it intellectually.  The truth is felt in
temporary flashes only.  It is not abiding.

Bhagavan:  Such thoughts smother up the state of your eternal

Devotee:  The rough and tumble of town life lie is not congenial
to realization.  Jungle retreats afford the necesary quiet and

Bhagavan:  One can be free in a town and may yet be bound
in jungle retreats.  It is all in mind.

Devotee:  The mind again is Maya, I suppose.

Bhagavan:  What is Maya?  The knowledge that the mind is
divorced from Reality is Maya.  The mind is in Reality only and
not apart.  This knowledge is the elimination of Maya.

Further conversation led to the question if the mind was
identical with the brain.  Bhagavan Ramana said:  The mind
is only a force operating on the brain.  You are now here and
awake.  The thoughts of the world and the surroundings are
in the brain within the body.  When you dream you create
another self who sees the world of dream creation and the
surroundings jus as you do now.  The dream visions are
in the dream brain which is again in the dream body.  This
is different from your present body.  You remember the dream
now.  The brains however are different.  Yet the visions appear
in the mind.  The mind is therefore not identical with the brain.
Waking, dream and sleep are for the mind only.

Devotee:  The understanding is intellectual. 

Bhagavan:  Intellect. Whose intellect?  The problem revolves
round that question.    You admit that you exist even in the
absence of intellect -- say, in sleep.  How do you know that
you exist if you have not realized your existence?  Your very
existence is realization.  You cannot imagine a point of time
when you do not exist.  So there is no period of time when
realization is not.

Arunachala Siva.     
as you do now.