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Subramanian.R

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Re: Grade inflation in Self-enquiry
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2008, 07:26:22 PM »
Dear srkudai and non duel, any activity, even that of trying
to still the mind is a bondage.  Bhagavan always said:  BE STILL,
Summa Iru.  He did not say, Try to be still.  The difference is
like, I am going to Tiruvannamalai and I am Tiruvannamalai!

Bhagavan also said, even I shall merge with Brahman is an
activty.  I am Brahman is the correct process.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Grade inflation in Self-enquiry
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2008, 03:34:34 PM »
Dear Sri Subramanian --

I've just got around to reading your initial comments on 'Grade Inflation' with amusement and serious thought !

I guess that's a question for you to answer, being nearer 'the centre of things' !
But it must be a 'karmic' manifestation ?

I would hope that Bhagavan would say, as he did, that the mere thought of Ishwara is the grace of Ishwara and is Ishwara Himself in us !

So rather like what must have happened when printing was discovered -- a huge expansion of 'knowing about' -- as distinct from 'knowing' !

What is your viewpoint on this ?  You set the examination paper -- would you now award the marks ?!

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Re: Grade inflation in Self-enquiry
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2008, 04:40:26 PM »
Dear mickroth,  I agree with you.  Gutenburg, Penguin and Pelican
made it easier to read the messages.  In the olden days in India
they were writing in palmyra leaves and only kings were writing in
silken clothes.  The paper and printing machine brought books in
millions and today computers are showing the Rowling books even
before its publications!  The grade inflation stops here.  Exams have become easier and pupils are getting more marks.  But intelligent
students and Self-realized wisemen, Brahma Jnanis, are still counted
in two fingers only!  People pass out from Oxford, Cambridge and
Syracuse in large numbers but there is only one Einstein and after
him, Stephen Hawking.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2008, 05:51:09 PM »
Dear Sri Subramanian --

This question might be called 'serious fun' !  Are we to consider this a divine equation:-- one world guru = a million readers of his or others' books ? One jnani = a hundred who read a book about the self and forget most of it...?

Should we call for a world-wide survey -- "Would you be happier to know a little more of your real self -- or would you prefer to be as you are, but know that there's a man somewhere who can answer all your questions ?"

It's the stuff of those great spiritual stories -- "A king decided one day to consider the spiritual welfare of his subjects. He went first to a rich man; then to a poor man; then to a merchant; asking them (the question above). The rich man said " I am happy to be as I am : I have as much wealth as I want; I know how to get more; I don't want to know more about myself in case...." !

But if we believe with Bhagavan that 'merely' to think of God is to be God -- for a moment or two -- are we not better off ? Or do our restless thoughts put us further away from the self than a wood-dweller, cutting his wood with care and planting new trees in their place...?

Are we really in the iron age, the kali-yuga, and that is our karma, so we must make the best of it and look to ourselves in peace ?

I think your thoughts (if you don't mind having a few...) are worth quite as much as mine, on this serious-fun question !

But -- like those spray-can messages on public walls -- 'Ramana Lives !'

mikroth

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Re: Grade inflation in Self-enquiry
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2008, 06:29:41 PM »
Dear mikroth,  Bhagavan said the following in Who am I?
an advice that was given to Sivaprakasam Pillai, in 1902,
when Bhagavan was just 21.

1. Since all books say that the control of mind is essential for
liberation, as the final truth, there is no point in reading books
endlessly.

2. The Self is within five sheaths.  There is no point in searching
it outside in books.

3. Rama, to know that he is Rama, is a mirror required.

4. As a housewife sweeps and collects and throws away the
garbage, she does not count the categories of the garbage.
Like that, what is the use of counting the 'tattvas', the religious
principles, in various religions.

Then, a question naturally arises, why there should be so many
books? Why should, I, for example, to write about various books
in the Forum.  Bhagavan says, in His prose translation of Viveka
Choodamani, that, as a sugar candy is made of various colours
and shapes, to enable a child to choose what is best for him,
there are many books and seekers can use what is the most
suitable or appealing for them?

There are billions of people in the world.  Millions of readers.
Thousands of seekers.  A few scores choose the right path.
A dozen pursue the path.  A handful falls on the path, tired,
to proceed next day, (next birth).  One reaches the Goal,
becomes the Goal.

Arunachala Siva.