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Subramanian.R

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Maharshi's Gospel - 2
« on: June 19, 2009, 11:43:46 AM »
Questioner:  After leaving this Ashram in October, I was
aware of the Presence that prevails in Sri Bhagavan's Presence,
enfolding me for about 10 days..... Then it faded out entirely,
and the old stupidities came in instead.  Work leaves no
time for meditation.  Is it enough constantly reminding onself
I AM, while at work?

Bhagavan:  [After a pause]:  If you strengthen the mind,
that peace will continue for all time.  Its duration is proportional
to the strengh of mind acquired by repated practice.  And such
mind is able to hold on to the current.  In that case, engagement
or no engagement in work, the current remains unaffected and
uninturruped.  It is not work that hinders but the idea
it is you who are doing it.

[1. In my case, it lasts for 15 days at best!
  2. Bhagavan says here: You strenghten the mind to have
       peace.  If the mind is not a tangible thing, but only a
       shadow, there is no need to strengthen.  At best, it is
       weak or strong but is never a shadow!  No one need
       strengthen a shadow.]

Questioner:  Is a set meditation necessary for strengthening
the mind?

Bhagavan:  Not, if yhou keep the idea always before you that
it is not your work.  At first, effort is needed to remind yourself of it, but later on, it becomes natural and continuous.  The work will go on of its own accord and your peace will remain un-
disturbed.  Meditation is your true nature.  You call it meditation now, because other thoughts are distracting you.  When these
thoughts are dispelled, you ramain alone -- that is, in the state
of meditation free from thoughts. And it is your real nature,
which you are now trying to gain by keeping away from other
thoughts.  Such keeping away of other thoughts is now called
mediation.  But when your practice becomes firm, the real
nature shows itself as true mediation.

[1.  Many early devotees of Bhagavan, in Virupaksha Cave
thought that Bhagavan was keeping silent because He was
meditating.  Bhagavan later said that he was not meditating
on anything, because His true nature had already been revealed
while He was in Madurai.  He kept silent, because He did not
want to indulge in any discussions with devotees, on any matter, spiritual or otherwise.  He broke His silence much later
after coming down to the present Asramam, because He felt
that He should guide others.

   2. Great Jnanis like Sankara and Bhagavan did a lot of work,
after merging in the Self.  This work was done without any
doership. Sankara composed his Vivekachoodamani and Bhagavan composed His Upadesa Saram and Sat Darsanam
in that state of pure mind or the Self realization.  And they
did exceedingly well too.  Bhagavan did kitchen work, made
a stick for the shepherd who lost his stick etc., in that state.
This Nishakmya Karma came about naturally for these Jnanis.]

   
(Source: Maharshi's Gospel.)

Arunachala Siva.     
     
 

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Re: Maharshi's Gospel - 2
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2009, 10:34:41 AM »
Dear srkudai,

I am not interested in settling anything.  Each one works out
his own way for improvement.   I am only trying to elucidate
what Bhagavan Ramana has said about mano-nasa or mano
laya or ignoring the mind or rejecting thoughts, in various
conversations with devotees.  Whether it helps one or not
it can be seen only when they read these.   I may here
add only one point that even the great translators like
Arthur Osborne or Prof.K. Swaminathan or J. Jayaraman
who had improved upon Osborne's English translations
have made it only as destruction of mind.  If Annamalai
Swami had said that it is only "ignoring thoughts" and not
otherwise, we have to take that Annamalai Swami was given
that idea by Bhagavan Ramana.  After all, no one can say
anything that was not told by Bhagavan Ramana.

Arunachala Siva.     

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Re: Maharshi's Gospel - 2
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2009, 11:19:34 AM »
Dear srkudai,

As I pick up this mind related conversations of Bhagavan
Ramana, [I am going to continue because, it reveals many
advices of Bhagavan, DEPENDING UPON THE QUESTIONER.]
I find that He has used different cannotations of mind.
At one place, He says:  Where is mind?  There is no mind!
At another place, He says:  To turn inwards is necessary
to overcome the mind.  etc., etc.,

Bhagavan Ramana is known for His consistent teaching
for 54 years of His life in the world. No Guru in the modern
history has given us consistent teaching of the same way.
This apparent differences in definitions/explanations/words used etc., have to be only understood in the context of the questioner's mind and maturity.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Maharshi's Gospel - 2
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2009, 12:12:51 PM »
Dear srkudai,

SRK used to say:  Some call it Jalam.  Some others call it
Pani.  Some more call it as Water.  It is all the same.  "At
the end, there will be time, there will be time, when everything
looks alike."   SRK further used to say: 'Your mother has given
some chit for buying fish and rice.  After buying these items,
do you still keep the chit with you.  Don't you throw it out?"
It is all like this.  After the arriving at the Goal, the ways do
not matter.  The words do not matter.

Arunachala Siva.