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Subramanian.R

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How to tackle Lust?
« on: June 12, 2009, 05:41:48 PM »
On 29th Jan 1946, Bhagavan Ramana was going through
the new Telugu edition of Ramana Leela.  A visitor asked Him:

"I came here about a year ago.  And even since, I have been
trying to follow Bhagavan's instructions.  I am not, however,
succeeding very well.  I try to look at all women as mothers.
But I don't succeed."  Bhagavan Ramana did not reply and
the visitor continued: "While I am at home, it is all right. But
when I go out and see women I am not able to control my
mind and am swept off my feet.  What should I do?"  He also
added: "I want Atma sakshatkaram.  What should I do?
I pray for Bhagavan's blessings. 

After a pause, Bhagavan replied:  'You say you are all right
when you are at home. Be at home, at home in the mind.
Don't allow it go outwards, but turn it inwards and keep
it at home there.  Then all will be well and you will have
Atma sakshatkaram.  The trouble is that we are the mind.
See if you are the mind."

The visitor said: "I am a grahasta. Still I want to practise
brahmacharya even with my wife. But I am not able to
succeed.  What should I do?"  Bhagavan replied:  "That
is because of the age long vasanas.  The sankalpas are
so powerful because they have existed so long. But
they will go."

(Source: Day by Day. Devaraja Mudaliar.  29.1.1946)

Arunachala Siva.         

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Re: How to tackle Lust?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2009, 06:05:18 PM »
Dear srkudai,

Sex is the most elementary feeling, because we are all
born out of sexual union of our parents.  But one need
not behave like a brahmachari if the wife is young.  That
is extreme. But one can confine lust and sex to his wife
and that itself is a great step.  The problem with that
visitor is that he was trying to trespass.  And that is the
greatest danger, for one's own self and also from societal
point of view.  The great heavyweight boxers of America
ended up in jail, even though they won a lot of medals in the boxing ring, due to this trespassing sex.  Like this Zen
monk in the story, Kaduveli Siddhar also had an incident
like this.

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: How to tackle Lust?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2009, 06:50:18 PM »
the most important thing for us is to integrate everytign into presence....so when sex arises we should not step out of the contemplation of self...

this is indeed one of the hardest tasks, to remain identified with the self during sexual union...

so sex like drinking coffe is a good thing to integrat the sadhana into daily life...

the man that talkes to bhagawan had a problem with his sexuality...you see if I see a girl that I like energy arises, thoughts arise...this is normalI do not get confused I feel the energy, it is not a bad energy at all...

this man thinks that because all great saints and yogis transcented sex that he has to be the same to gain selfknowledge...this is just a notion....

a feeling arises and I label it as bad and then try to cut it our like a surgeon...you can create a nice neurosis out of such behaviour (maybe one day you just want get out of the house because the little sensation transformed into a big demonic power....)


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Re: How to tackle Lust?
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2009, 06:54:46 PM »
Dear matthias,

Sex involves two people.  What is more important is to
see whether the other party is consenting or not.  Trespassing
involves the danger of nonconsent from the other.  Indian
law says even compelling one's own wife for sex, without
her consent is a rape!  If you observe celebacy with your wife
without her consent, it is also a mistake of assuming the
nonconsenting of wife, which may not be there!

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: How to tackle Lust?
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2009, 07:03:43 PM »
this sensation Iam refering too is not unnatural and when you fear to be jailed because you feel women to be attractive then you have a sexual neurosis

I know what you mean...but i think the man that approached bhagawan just feard this sensation and had no intentions to rape women..

maybe he feared that this little sensation is a rape itself, but this is not so...it is normal a reflex of our male energy...without this sensations humankind would be no longer on earth

if you repress this energy it might turn out to become dangerous because you cannot longer controll yourself...

then you could start to tresspass women..

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Re: How to tackle Lust?
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2009, 07:17:50 PM »
The question is about only how to control Lust. its not about how to control Sex itself. Sex is not a crime. its one of the most beautiful divine experiences God has granted this to every living beings. Perhaps its one experience closest to the experience of the Brahmanic Bliss but not the Bliss itself. Here the Thoughts are dead, there is only One.

Sex drive is not to be controlled, it has to be used intelligently till the reality flashes itself onto us that this sex desire is not in itself an ultimate Salvation but only a means to the Ultimate Consciousness, Its also a part of Sadhana.

Entire Mis interpreattion of Religious scriptures across all religions portray Sex as some big Crime. Its False. Its one of the most divine experiences which God has blessed each one of us to have. Most ancient temples have large and intricate and beautiful intimate sexual unions of siva and sakthi concepts sculpted in stones and Temple Gopurams. Its part of our life and Sadhana. Nothing big has to be made from this.

Yes, If sex is forced upon someone then it will have its impact on the one, he has to face the wrath  ;D some hits and smacks... That is lust. But sex drive itself should not be seen as a problem, have a nice happy married life, thats why we have Grihasthashrama. once the reality dawns, one will take up sanyasa afte Grihasthahrama

Nagaraj
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: How to tackle Lust?
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2009, 07:57:59 PM »
Dear matthias and Nagaraj,

There are situational realities.   Bhagavan prescribed this
to that visitor, because, He had to prescribe the toughest
practice, lest he might not take some allowance out of the
advice.  But Bhagavan Ramana also has an underlying
general prescription.  Trespassing in sex  is not only for
fear of punishment but also one's standards of the culture
in which he is born.  In fact Hindu theology goes even to
say that even thinking about sex with a woman who is
not your wife is a sin and not the act only.

Take this example of situational reality:

Jesus said: Do not commit adultery with your neighbour's wife.

But at some other time he told one of the visitors who had
lost his elder brother who had no issues:  Marry your brother's wife for the purpose of a progeny for her.

Arunachala Siva.