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Subramanian.R

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Vichara and bodily diseases
« on: September 05, 2008, 03:08:47 PM »
Dear nondsait, I did not see your message in the Personal Message
of yours through that column in the Forum till today.  Please
forgive me. 

Vichara, confers Cosmic Consciousness, which is the Self.  It does
not cure the diseases, in the ordinary parlance.  It gives the
realized person, enormous strength to withstand the pain and
agony of such ailments, as if it is an ant bite.  It can be termed 'karmic', but again it may not be true in the case of a self realized person,
since he is beyond the three karmas, Agami, Sanchita and Prarabdha.
There are various theories on Bhagavan's terminal cancer.  But
no one has proved anything.  But the truth remains, that He
withstood it as an ant bite.


Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: Vichara and bodily diseases
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2008, 05:28:56 AM »
Dear Subrahmanyan Ji

As I see bhagavan like siva, who has kept posion in His throat to save the world while during Samudhra Manthan, our
bhagavan also bought from His devotees all the ailment.At least in one of His Thruvilaiyadal i,e. pittuku man sumandadhu,
he gave the pain of the blow to all 3 world to teach all He is none other than God Siva. But Bhagavan after becoming God He lived like a human being among human being. What there is to say.Bhagavanuke Velicham..

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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2008, 11:41:43 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  Bhagavan did cure diseases of His devotees
in a few cases and in a few other cases, He got them cured through
some other devotess.  He cured the pain in the finger and the elbow
of His devotee, as you might have read in one of the Golden eyes
post.  He cured the blindness of another through a surgery by another
doctor devotee.  But He said  that He had not done anything, so
that many ill devotees would not throng Him, with problems.  He
did not bring the dead child back to life, in one case, because that
was that child's prarabdha.  As regards His own terminal cancer,
he bore it lightly without pain and misery because He had no mind!

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2008, 04:37:37 PM »
Dear Subrahmaniyan ji


When the mind is killed we do not feel the pain and pleasure. Is not it? Therefore those who got realised soul they must have lost their mind. When they do not have the mind then how they can feel other's pain. Because I cannot kill my mind so I am geting lot sort of stupid questions. At the same time I pray to Bhagavan for my stupidity. Can you explain please?


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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2008, 05:50:55 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  Your question is very relevant.  The killing of
the mind is itself a difficult task, because we are so much used
to mind and ego and we always get a feeling that a killed mind
is a broken mind that is insane.  It is not.  The killing of mind is
not contaminating the mind, causing mental break-down that
we become schizophrenic or madcaps.  The killing of mind is the
state where one eternally lives in the Self, happy and blissful. 
This problem was raised earlier in the Forum and I have given
similar answers.

The question therefore remains as to how the Self realized Jnanis,
live and express emotions like human beings.  The answer is,
they live in a state of Supermind (Aurobindo) or Overmind (Zen Master
Bosho) or Pure Mind. (Bhagavan Ramana).  This mind will do all
the activities, more skillfully and display emotions, in times of need.

Bhagavan was a beautiful cook.  He can cut vegetables and stitch
leaf plates (the old type), with great dexterity.  He cried with
joy in times of joy and shed tears towards other people's sorrow.
He never shed tears for his pain and misery, that is during his
terminal cancer. He cried when Echammal came with her grandson,
crying for the demise of her daughter.  He expressed happiness,
when ganji and aviayal were served in the Asram!

This Pure Mind displays all emotions. It does not harm others,
it is like a burnt rope.
   
Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Vichara and bodily diseases
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2008, 06:16:03 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,
                       When we posit our consciousness in the source of the mind,there is an experience of absence of the mind(Naiva manasam).Then
the mind is free of contamination of tendenies and purified(Suddha)manas act spontaneouly as in the case of Jnanis.This purification and experience
of absence of mind amounts to killing of the mind.You cannot kill the mind because it is never there.Can you kill the illusory snake in a rope.
Recognising the rope as a rope amounts to killing of the snake.But in the first instance snake never existed,it is only our imagination born out of
false perception of the rope.So also we imagine mind to be there because we have not recognised self "as it is".For this keeping our attention
in the source(Adhistana) of the mind through self-enquiry is the best way. 
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2008, 08:50:41 PM »
Dear Raju ji

Now I understand that there is no  such "mind" we have like snake in the rope. Self is every where and in every time.
As we erase the mind then the body will also go away. Means our body is the imaginery one the mind.Something which acts like self is CALLED MIND, where there is no truth if I go to the source. your comments please.

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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2008, 09:10:30 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,
                       Yes,that is exactly what i mean.Bhagawan used to say that he is aware of the body only when someone pointed it out.
Otherwise he used to be aware of awareness all the time.From his point of view body-mind omplex is just imageary.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2008, 10:53:04 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

As Dr. Raju said the mind-body comlplex will not be felt after
self realization.  It will be away from him, as a skin which has
been shed by the snake.  He will be, all the time, in Brahman
and the body is appearing only from the point of view of onlookers.
He will say, "No mind, I am the Self."  He will be like a mirror,
reflecting emotions for others, as per their emotions.

Arunachala Siva.