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Subramanian.R

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A Jnani's pains and miseries
« on: June 04, 2009, 12:19:39 PM »
Once on 9th October 1945, when K. Mahatani was there,
the conversation was on a Jnani's pains and miseries.  When
Bhagavan Ramana explained that a Jnani will go through
the activities of the body, without any anxiety.  Mahatani
was not satisfied and Bhagavan Ramana referred him to read
the article on renunication, that is found at the end of Gita
Press edition of Bhagavad Gita.  It is said that when one who
has reached the seventh stage of renunciation, he will not
feel pain even when is body is cut by a weapon.  When
that portion was read out in the Hall, Bhagavan remembered
the following poem which means:

"They won't be afraid even if guileful enemies stab their
chest or they are surrounded by the fire or bitten by a cobra,
all will be bliss for them."  This is found in Ponnambala Swami's
commentary on Bhagavad Gita, in Tamil verses, Chapter VI
Verse 17. [page 150 of the Asramam book].  Continuing
this topic, I [Devaraja Mudaliar] said: 

"It is true such things are said in the books.  But we see
that the Jnani feels pain.  Even one like Sri Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa felt pain when he had throat cancer and cried
out: "Why Mother sent this pain to me!"

Bhagavan:  It may be like that in the beginning, due to long
association or habit.  But afterwards, it will pass off.

In this connection, I must record that long ago, once when
Bhagavan was suffering from some illness [not cancer],
and I expressed concern, Bhagavan was pleased to explain
to me that He  felt the pain as in a dream, and no more.

(Source: Day By Day.  Devaraja Mudaliar, entry 9th Oct. 1945.)

Arunachala Siva.       

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Re: A Jnani's pains and miseries
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2009, 10:51:15 AM »
Even Jesus cried out when he was being crucified. Lord Krishna also might have felt pain when the poisoned arrow pierced his feet. Physical body is a material one for every one, be it a sage or avatar or what may, with its nervous system etc. The body will do its function but how we interpret it with our mind is upto us. The difference would only be in the attitude with which one faces it and this depends on the degree of identification with the body. Both Jesus and Krishna forgave and blessed their torturers and did not curse or punish them as we tend to do.



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Re: A Jnani's pains and miseries
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2009, 11:48:17 AM »
Yes.  All the pains are for the body-mind complex.  But when
the Jnani had killed his mind, only his body suffers the pains.
From the onlooker's point of view, the pain is real, because
he is seeing the Jnani, from Ajnani's point.  But the pain
would be there.  Once during His last days, Bhagavan Ramana
had "immense pain" even from doctors' point of view.  One
evening, an attendant asked Bhagavan:  "Bhagavan!  Is it
paining too much?"  Bhagavan smiled and said: "Yes, the body
is paining!"  Dr. Guruswami Mudaliar who did one of the four
surgeries on Bhagavan said:  "The pain would be as excruciating
as if a lorry were to pass on your hand!"  But Bhagavan Ramana
did not have such a pain.  He on pursuasion said, "it is like a
sting of a bee!"

Arunachala Siva.