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Sorrow
« on: June 01, 2009, 08:37:52 PM »
Sorrow

People complain about their griefs and sorrows and how they pray to God but find no relief from pain. But grief itself is a gift from God. It is the symbol of His compassion.

-- Holy Mother Sri Sarada Devi


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Re: Sorrow
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2009, 07:31:36 AM »
In mahabharatha Kunthis says to Lord Krishna to give more sorrow so that she would not forget Him.



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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 08:48:55 AM »
But wouldn’t inviting sorrow be sadistic? If it is for testing oneself from time to time it is fine. Spirituality should cultivate equanimity and joy in the midst of any situation for it to be true. Wasn’t Lord Krishna smiling his way all through his life? Saints and sages of earlier yugas were healthy and comfortable and lived for many many years. Only in this Kali yuga we see even sages getting diseases. As long as we don’t get carried away from our Self at times of happiness and luxury, we don’t need to invite sorrow.

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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2009, 08:59:03 AM »
Dear Mohan,

Actually, in case of Kunti, she is not at all affected by grief, infact, her devotion is so emotional that she is enjoying every but of her compay wit the Lord through her prayers. hence by inviting sorrow she is not at all being sadistic. she feel its a great platform for her to remain in Bhakti Bhava. But you see, its a common tendency among people to pray very intensely in times of trouble but seldom pray at times of Happiness!

Pain is a fact that you are living. Painful living is actually goos for your consciousness is more potent and alive during testing times than during regular happiness derived form worldly pleasures. Consciousness is mostly absent during such happy moments.

Sorrow again is only mind made. It may look only outside that Kunti is inviting sorrow, but she is in ecstasy. Infact there is no sorrow at all.

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॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2009, 09:33:01 AM »
For enlightened souls every thing is same. But for others life is different.
Kunti must be enlightened therefore she was happy during the difficult times.


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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2009, 10:31:22 AM »
Dear all,

First of all, pains and sorrows, pleasures and happiness
do not come from God.  They are earned by us with our
prarabdha.  Kunti perhaps was self realized.  She asked
Krishna to give sorrows, only to get her tested by such
travails.  Equanimity is the virtue.  But it comes not so
easily, but by practice.  Perseverence is the key.

In Nazi concentration camps, the lives of prisoners were
virtually hell everyday.  But they put up with them.  When
they came out of the prison after the War, many people
became ascetics in their lives.  Those who could not put up
with them, died in prisons.

Arunachala Siva. 
 

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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2009, 07:34:31 PM »
I am not sure under what context mother has said these words.
It may mean that pains in life often has a good part....it often makes people more compassionate.
When one experiences pain and sorrow oneself, one feels compassion for others who is under similar sorrow. This transformation to a better person is as if a gift from God.

Swami Vivekananda said:
As pleasure and pain pass before his soul, they leave upon it different pictures, and the result of these combined impressions is what is called man's "character". If you take the character of any man, it really is but the aggregate of tendencies, the sum total of the bent of his mind; you will find that misery and happiness are equal factors in the formation of that character. Good and evil have an equal share in molding character, and in some instances misery is a greater teacher than happiness.

So misery often makes man better.

From the Advaitic point of view....the power of the Self is behind everything...both happiness and sorrow.
When one remembers this during sorrow, one can feel that God (Self) is still with me, and this sorrow is a gift from God.


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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2009, 11:06:23 AM »
Dear silentgreen,

Mother Saradamani's view point is also correct.  To have
pain and sorrows, makes one show compassion for other's
pains and sorrows.  Saint Tayumanavar has sung in a
composition:

I became parched and tired, whenever I see paddy plants
and trees are parched due to hot summer. 

This is compassion.  Sri Ramakrishna said it in some other
way:  When he was having throat cancer and could not
eat anything, devotees asked him to pray to Kali.  He said
Kali told him:  While you are eating with sixty mouths,
[meaning devotees], why should you eat?  This is Universal
Consciousness.  Once Vivekananda had a restless sleep and
next morning he told his devotees, that there might have been
something wrong in the world somewhere.  Next day morning
papers informed that there was an earthquake in South
America in midnight and many people had perished!

Arunachala Siva.   

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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2009, 04:50:09 PM »
Compassion is fine, but would not empathy for all living beings affect one's sadhana and disturb our mind every second as something will be going wrong in this world somewhere every second? Then we can never ever remain in peace !!! After enlightment all this is fine, but till then should not compassion be first towards oneself or our own poor mind? How does equanimity and empathy go hand in hand? Please advise.

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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2009, 05:20:13 PM »
Dear mmohan,

Yes. Saint Tayumanavar, Sri Ramakrishna, Saradamani and
Bhagavan Ramana displayed that universal compassion,
after merging in the Self.  Till such time, one can be compassionate to fellow beings, only to some extent.  But
I do not feel that showing compassion, will hinder our
self enquiry.  Siva is not only Sivam (Consciousness) but
also Love.  Anbe Sivam, Love is Siva-Consciousness,said Tirumoolar.

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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2009, 05:32:36 PM »
Thanks Subramanian. I feel at least in the initial stages one should take care of himself first as there is enough work to do with our own mind and not to get lost in all the service and compassion shown to the world. It is like cleaning up our home first and putting things in order before start looking into neighbouring houses. Maybe that's why in olden days the sadhaks went to isolated places and immersed themselves in self enquiry and did not come back to society till they were ripe enough.

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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2009, 05:37:28 PM »
Dear mmohan,

Yes you are correct.  We should clean up our house first.
But whenever compassion is required when you are out,
on the streets, [say an accident, or a dog having been
hit by a lorry], I think it is necessary to show compassion.
Going to jungles, was to keep you away from outside influences.
But where can you keep away your mind?

Arunachala Siva.
 

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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2009, 08:30:50 PM »
I feel that as one progresses in spiritual practice, compassion starts unfolding in the heart by itself.
This will happen even without doing any external social service.
As ego starts fading and one expands, compassion starts unfolding from the deeper self.

It may not be of such great magnitude as manifested by Lord Buddha, but will depend upon the individual's progress.


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Re: Sorrow
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2009, 11:31:23 AM »
Compassion emanates from Grace, who is Uma or Sakti.
It is inseparable part of Siva, the Self.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Sorrow
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2009, 01:03:17 PM »
It is true. All great bhaktas say, we are not doing anything. It is all God's grace.
AVAN ARULALE AVAN THAZH VANAGI. Avan arulate we should have bhakti, compasion.
In this world we can get other things very easily but it is very difficult to have God's grace.



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