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Nagaraj

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Re: A Spider and a Bee
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2009, 01:02:01 PM »
A very popular example which everyone would have come across.

Take different brands in Chocolates - Cadburys, Nestle, Amul, Ravalgon, Parrys, etc... (Various Gods)

The Sweetness remains the same in all the brands. Seek for the sweetness and not the Brands (Various Gods).
All Brands Give same sweetness. For Some like Cadburys, some Amul, etc... but they derive same ecstasy as what other would get from a different brand.

Seek the sweetness in and not the God.

So when we see Rama, we should just not see the figure. see that which you will find even in Krishna and Shiva, Murugan, Devi, Aiyappa, Ramana, Ramakrishna, etc...

When you begin to see what it is, you will discover that it is LOVE.

The Truth is God is a very poor man, He can only Give us LOVE alone, he cannot give anything else for he does not have anything to give. If you ask for LOVE he will give you in Abundance and then by this our life will begin to brim with happiness.

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॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2009, 10:27:56 PM »
I was contemplating on this Spider and the Bumble Bee... Suppose our near and dear one is trapped in a Lion's Den and is stuck, unable to pull out the stone, would we simply let it be as it is? will we let even our near and dear one also be food for the lion! This will be the real test for us!   ::)

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॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
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Re: A Spider and a Bee
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2009, 03:30:09 AM »
Nagaraj.. The thing with all these ethical choices is that you can speculate all you like
but when confronted with the real situation you will do something or you won't .
and some would say your choice is actually an illusion because it was inevetable according
to your natural tendencies .
 sky

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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2009, 09:19:00 AM »
True. That's why it is said you cannot remember God at the time of your death unless you have remembered him constantly and established a relationship with him throughout your life. But most of us tend to postpone this till our ripe old age when we can do nothing and spend all our good times playing with the world.

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2009, 11:13:18 AM »
Dear skyperson & mmohan,

Yes. What mmohan says is correct.  Our choices vary
according to our circumstances.  But Prarabdha is god's
scheme of things.  This can never be changed.  At best,
according to Saiva Siddhantis, Praradha can be thinned
by God.  When you have to lose your head, you lose only
your headgear.  Bhagavan Ramana also said Destiny decides
everything.  You can at best pray.  Or be a Jnani and take
it without any pain on your body-mind complex.  I was
wondering about this incident some years back.  Once
a group of devotees, who went to Sabarimala for darshan,
after 48 days of penance, had a darshan and when they
were returning to their hometown, their van met with an
accident and everyone died.  How did it happen?  Why
did it happen?  These questions have no answers.  At
best it could be "our various theories".

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2009, 04:41:11 PM »
Probably destiny might have decided to hasten their (the Sabarimala pilgrimage victims) Prarabdha and finish off their backlog once for all and given them moksha or release from this cycle of birth and death. Or probably a better next birth more conducive for sadhana. Who knows?
This brings another question I wanted to ask. I have heard some jnanis and speakers say that once you are on the spiritual path, at some stage, destiny takes over and to speeden up things might cause havoc with our lives in order to deepen our Vairagya to the world and release our backlog of karma (this is generally said of Siva devotees as Siva is considered the destroyer). I wonder how far this is true. Sure, most of us need shocks every now and then to come back to the path and progress, but is it a must? Sounds scary as our perceived world and luxuries might crumble any minute. Might be the reason why many perfer to stay at a safe distance from the path and progress as slow as possible (like treading unchartered waters) !!!

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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2009, 05:33:08 PM »
Yes. Destiny takes its own course.  Bhagavan Ramana had
the death experience, around mid-July 1896, and He
could not stay in that state for long.  Six weeks went with
immense pains.  Everyday, He went to Meenakshi Temple and cried before 63 Saints, how long, how long?  Destiny fixed it
as end August 1896.  The money came to Him, and He had
to utter a lie.  He left Madurai and reached Tiruvannamalai
on 1st September 1896.  He went inside the Arunachaleswarar
Temple; It was around 10.45 AM. There were none [!] inside
the Temple.  He went to Arunachala [linga], and embraced
him.  He found an all-engulfing Light. He said:  "O Father!  I have reported as per Your command!"  Arunachala took care of Him for 54 years!     

Then, think of His departure!  How can He depart?  The body
had to go through a little of prarabdha.  He took upon Himself,
a terrific disease, for which no medicine was available.  Devotees tried four surgeries on Him.  He had to find an excuse for departure!  He left as a glorious light.  One sentence,
we should all remember.  He had said:  "Where can I go?
I am here!"  Only His body disappeared.  He is very much
with us, once you repose faith in Him.

Arunachala Siva.     

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Re: A Spider and a Bee
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2009, 05:22:23 PM »
My reaction to the original post was that I would help to save the bee.

While out walking with the dog this morning there was young thrush walking near by. It didn’t fly away, I wandered whether it was injured. So I waited and watched, it hopped over to the longer grass and started pecking, the next second it had something in its beak. There was a worm struggling to get free, trying to get back into the ground. In this instance I didn’t do anything. A thought went through my mind that I couldn’t help every living creature. I carried on with the walk not knowing whether the thrush needed help or whether the worm wriggled free.

Paul.

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Re: A Spider and a Bee
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2009, 07:34:23 PM »
Dear Paul,

Well thats all is in our hands, just watch. What else can we do? The one that had the thought of whether to save it or leave it or the thought of no being able to help all creatures is the Ego's. The Consciousness is least affected by all these.

That which gets affected is only the Ego because its agenda of saving it, not saving it, not being able to do anything is affected.

Nagaraj
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
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Re: A Spider and a Bee
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2009, 03:17:24 AM »
Dear Nagaraj, it is very difficult to watch without all sorts of thoughts and emotions getting in the way. Even if one sets out to practise Self-enquiry the ego rears its head and starts an internal conversation about Self-enquiry, which is no good at all. When this happens sometimes I pray to God that he will help me to surrender. That’s all I can do and trust it will happen in its own time.

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« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2009, 10:46:56 AM »
Dear Paul,

Yes surender is the way.  In the world every being is created
and one becomes the food of others.  Even human beings
who are vegetarians have to kill the plants to eat food.  A
fly is eaten by a lizard, a cow by tiger, a tiger by a man etc.,
This chain continues ever and for ever.  We can at best help
the suffering beings to the extent possible.  Suppose we
save a deer from tiger, the tiger would look at us and ask:
Who are you to prevent my food?  We have no answer.
Surrender to God or Guru is the best way.  All things
are done by one Parameswara Sakti.  Our job is to stay
away from thinking that I shall do this or do that.

Arunachala Siva.     

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Re: A Spider and a Bee
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2009, 03:27:22 AM »
Dear Subramanian, thank-you for those words
(it is food for thought   :D )

Seriously, they offer encouragement.

paul.