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ramanaduli

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Dreams
« on: May 24, 2009, 10:42:53 PM »
People say all hidden desires  only, are coming in our dreams. But enlightened people never get dreams because they never sleep like us.
On the other hand our body is geting energy only in sleep that what doctors say. and we all should sleep at least 6 hours. If we sleep
it is natural to get dreams. How enlighted people lived without sleep



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Re: Dreams
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2009, 12:14:05 PM »
Dear ramanaduli,

Dreams are on many occasions responses to unfulfilled desires.
But not in all cases.  Many dreams are meaningless. When Bhagavan Ramana was asked whether He did have dreams, He had said that He used to see some temples in His dreams.

Body does NOT require sleep.  Body needs only rest.  It is the
mischievous mind that needs sleep.  Because, in rest,
the mind is not rested.  It should be smothered and made
quiet by sleep only.  Thoughts, even after one goes to bed
torment a person, whether he is rich, poor, healthy or sickly.

Arunachala Siva. 


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Re: Dreams/mind
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2009, 05:46:20 PM »
Dear Subramniyan ji

you say body does not need sleep but the mind. OK but after few hours sleep again the mind starts chatering.  That time the inner "I" says, it is the time
to take rest, still the mind talks, in few mts. there is no mind no dream, People say if u do dhyanam there would not be mind. But without doing dyanam' while sleeping also some time there is no mind.
In waking state, during the day, I follow the advice of Bhagavan like giving grass to the bull. There is a funny state, hands do the routine work, mouth does some manthram, mind jumps here and there. i am seeing all it is happening,...what to do....just watching the mind, does not give any progress.

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Re: Dreams
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2009, 06:02:51 PM »
Dear ramanaduli,

Most of us are in the same boat.  Perseverence is the only
way.  Mind does not chatter in deep sleep.  It chaps un-
inturruptedly while one is awake or in dreams.  Western
philosophers and psycho analaysts like Freud, did some
research only about wakeful state and dream state.  They
were trying to give some sleeping tablets for sleep.  It is
Gaudapada who attacked the problem in his famous Gaudapada
Karika and his commentary on Mandukya Upanishad.  He is
the man who had gone much more beyond the Western
psychologists and told about the inter-relationship between
Jagrat, Swapna and Sushupti states.

Perseverence is the only way. One suggestion that Bhagavan
had said:  If you cannot control your thoughts, please hold
on to one thought.  One nama of god.  This is the only other
way to control our thoughts.   

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Dreams
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2009, 07:12:37 PM »
Subramaniyan ji

Thanks. It is the way to control our mind to hold one thought. It is easy while siting and doing japa. But during the day time we have to do lots of work that time
we have to apply our this same mind. That time also mind chats lot.  Anyway we have to follow the same question Who I Am and to whom it occurs.
In some birth it could be succeeded. Can you post more about Gowdapada.

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Re: Dreams
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2009, 04:33:27 AM »
Dear ramanaduli,

It is said that dreams are useful because our mind can clarify and deal  with some stuffs we faced during day which remain unsolved by the conscious mind; it is said as well that we would die without having those moments of contact with the Self in deep sleep, out of mind´s movements and thoughts. Don´t know if this is so, though.


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Re: Dreams
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2009, 12:12:07 PM »
Dear shadak,

Thoughtless state is the Brahman.  At the time of death,
when innumerable thoughts are bound to spring up, it
is a Himalayan task to keep oneself in thoughtless state.
One Azhwar sings, "O Narayana, I may not be able to
say your name at the time of death.  So I am telling
many many times now itself!"  Unless one is in thoughtless
state or in one thought of god's name in most part of his
life, it would be difficult for him to stay thoughtless or
with one thought of god at the time of death.  Hence practice
is essential from now on.

Dear ramanaduli,

Gaudapada is Sankara's guru's guru.  Govinda Bhagavadpada
is Sankara' s guru and Gaudapada is Govinda's guru.  So he
is the parama guru of Sankara.  Gaudapada is quite well known
for his famous 200 verses karika [commentary] on the 12 verse
Mandukaya Upanishad.  There Gaudapada had explored the three states of waking, dream and sleep states and analyzed
the presence of Brahman in all the three states and beyond.
Sankara has written a further commentaray covering both
the Upanishad and Karikas.  The entire work is tough and it reveals, almost all the areas of Bhagavan Ramana's teachings.
Gaudapada lived immediately after Buddha sometime around
3rd Century BC.  There is one publication by Sri Ramakrishna
Math, giving a nice English translation with further notes on
MU and Karika.  This is by Swami Nikhilananda.  It should
be available in SRK Math, Chennai.

Arunachala Siva.