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srkudai

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You are consciousness / Awareness
« on: August 13, 2008, 05:33:25 PM »
Hi Friends,
          :) A friend asked me about thoughts and consciousness and who am i, i explained to him what the scriptures state as follows:
[Please see if it is useful]

1) Thoughts are not bad. Mind is a beautiful instrument with out which this discussion would be totally futile. Now, problem is only when a thought happens and we unconsciously follow them without choice. Here, the problem is not the thought but our being unaware !

2) So if we proceed down from body --- mind --- consciousness, these are all present. We can see these. The body is there when dead, brain is there : so hardware of the body is there --- but consciousness is not there in the body and brain. Since there is no consciousness in the body, it is a dead body. Since there is no consciousness in brain, there are no thoughts and hence no mind.

So consciousness or life is the "alive" entity in this body.

3) You are the consciousness. How ? let us see.
awake , dream and deep sleep are three states of mind. you are living through all these three states. For example when in deep sleep, there is very little consciousness expressing through mind: but consciousness is still there. when awake and when in dream consciousness is obviously there.
So in all three states the only live entity that exists is "consciousness"
not only this, it is also the ultimate subject of all experiences --- coz a dead entity cannot experience ! The body, the brain are jada padartha --- jada means unmoving, unintelligent, lifeless entities.

3a) Why can i not be body-mind-consciousness complex ?
No. Coz body and brain are present even when dead. In the absence of
consciousness, they become just jada --- lifeless entities, like a piece of log.

3b) But i am unconscious in deep sleep.
That means brain is not expressing consciousness. But consciousness is
there. otherwise, when someone calls out, you would not respond.

3c) May be consciousness is only a function of brain
Not so, as consciousness is not "local" to brain. When an insect bites me on
my hand, consciousness should be present there to carry the message to
brain.

3d) So, Consciousness is just the electric signals in the body.
No. Coz an electric signal is also "jada", "life-less".

3e) If the brain is hit with a rod, where is your consciousness?
When brain is hit with a rod, the brain becomes in-capable of expressing
consciousness just as when the filament of a bulb is disconnected, it is the bulb
that becoems in capable of functioning -- electricity is unchanged.

3f) So is not consciousness local to the body ?
No. Suppose i ask a question "Is time local to body", its a wrong question coz
time is a separate dimention independent of space. so we cannot say, here
time is there and here it is not there. So too, consciousness being life, a
separate entity when compared to body which is dead, is independent of the
dead entities and hence is independent of space.


Love!
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Re: You are consciousness / Awareness
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2008, 06:05:34 PM »
Dear srkudai, Thoughts are not bad, when these come
from Pure Mind.  It is the Pure Mind with which jnanis
work.  Again, Brain is a part of consciousness and not
vice versa.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: You are consciousness / Awareness
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2008, 07:20:39 PM »
When self-consciousness is mixed with adjuncts a compound consciousness is formed which imagines itself to be the self-consciousness and body at the same time and it is conscious of itself as a set of adjuncts and it is basically an object knowing consciousness.
Till we disidentify ourselves from the adjuncts existentially we have no direct experience that we are unadulterated pure conscious beings.
Mere theoretical understanding that we are pure conscious beings takes us no where.
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Re: You are consciousness / Awareness
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2008, 12:33:20 PM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju,  I agree that theoretical understanding
and imagining of the Self, will not help.  But when I mentioned
Pure Mind or Suddha Manas, which Jnanis have, is a different
thing.  It does not adulternate the consciousness of the Self. 
Brahma Jnanis, who are in Sahaja Nishta, like Bhagavan Sri
Ramana Maharshi, used this for all their 'activity' when they
were in the body.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: You are consciousness / Awareness
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2008, 02:54:29 PM »
Dear subramanian,
                        My post is a response to the post of srkudai but not on your observations about suddha manas.I totally agree with your view point
on suddha manas.
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