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SELF REALISATION
« on: July 18, 2008, 04:54:33 AM »
WHAT IS IT

SIVA SIVA, ARUNACHALA SIVA
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Re: SELF REALISATION
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2008, 11:41:43 AM »
Dear Sankar, It is the One, which shines within, when you
cease ask all questions including, What is it?  It is beyond words
and cannot be had by mere questioning.  The only question
Bhagavan recommended is:  Who am I?  Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: SELF REALISATION
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2008, 07:13:46 PM »
It is an experience of thought-free,nondual,adjunctless,nonobjective clear self-conscious being "I am"which annihilates our wrong knowledge prevailing
from aeons and aeons that we are body bound mind with adjuncts.
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2008, 05:34:29 AM »
It is an experience of thought-free,nondual,adjunctless,nonobjective clear self-conscious being "I am"which annihilates our wrong knowledge prevailing
from aeons and aeons that we are body bound mind with adjuncts.

DEAR,

HOW TO ATTAIN IT WITH SO MUCH DISTURBANCES IN DAILY LIFE
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Re: SELF REALISATION
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2008, 09:22:12 AM »
Because you are witnessing the daily disturbance you are able to say that i am disturbed.
You are different from the disturbance of the mind.
The awareness,the witnessor is independent of your mental activity,hold on to it uninterruptedly.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2008, 06:06:18 AM »
Because you are witnessing the daily disturbance you are able to say that i am disturbed.
You are different from the disturbance of the mind.
The awareness,the witnessor is independent of your mental activity,hold on to it uninterruptedly.

so I must be

BE PATIENT
PERSISTENT PRACTICE OF ENQUIRY
TOLERANCE TO THE DISTUBING FORCES

SPEAK LESS
SILENT OBSERVER
STILL

SELF CONTROLLED
SELF DISCIPLINED to have
SELF REALISATION

SIVA SIVA
« Last Edit: August 15, 2008, 05:51:40 AM by SANKAR »
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2008, 02:12:20 PM »
Dear Sankar, all that you have listed out are only aids
to realization and not realization itslef.  In self-
realization, there is no listing, no questioning no
answering. Bhagavan answered questions of everyone
because, He had abundant Grace towards all those
chaps.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2008, 05:37:57 AM »
Dear Sankar, all that you have listed out are only aids
to realization and not realization itslef.  In self-
realization, there is no listing, no questioning no
answering. Bhagavan answered questions of everyone
because, He had abundant Grace towards all those
chaps.

Arunachala Siva.

DEAR SIR,

YES it is right it is only aid to self realisation and not realisation.

Bhagvans grace towards all is undoubtable and unyhinkable.
HE IS OCEAN OF LOVE, COMPASSION, AND GRACE

BUT THIS MAY BE OF LITTLE USE FOR THE BEGINNERS OF THE JOURNEY LIKE ME TO THE SELF REALISATION; WHICH CAN NOT BE WITH OUT THE GRACE OF GOD.

SIVA SIVA ARUNACHALASIVA
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2008, 12:45:57 PM »
Dear Sankar,  as Bhagavan has said:  "Grace is always flowing."
Grace only requires unflinching devotion to him, without let up.
Devotion is the mother of jnana.  But one caveat:  To get Grace,
in abundance, one should carry to Him a big vessel, like Ramanatha
Brahmachari, Mastan, Echammal, Palaniswamy, Keerai Patti,
Mudaliar Patti and Kunju Swami.

Arunachala Siva.

   

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2008, 12:47:00 PM »
Dear Sankar,  as Bhagavan has said:  "Grace is always flowing."
Grace only requires unflinching devotion to him, without let up.
Devotion is the mother of jnana.  But one caveat:  To get Grace,
in abundance, one should carry to Him a big vessel, like Ramanatha
Brahmachari, Mastan, Echammal, Palaniswamy, Keerai Patti,
Mudaliar Patti and Kunju Swami.

Arunachala Siva.

   

Dear sir,

You are right. I only has to clear my all shields hiding the evershining self to get the grace in abundance.

Thanks

 
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2008, 07:42:03 PM »
To establish in a state of nonobjective self-consciouness is commonly called self-realisation.Because duality is not there question of mind does not
arise.Only in object knowing consciousness mind appears to be there as an experiencer.
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2008, 09:46:46 AM »
Friends, i cannot say what it is
but i can definitely say, its not an experience. An experience is merely something happening in the mind, its born and it dies :)

no experience is special. any mental experience can be got by hypnotic suggestions.

So Realization has to be something other than an experience .... the Experiencer ! known with the mind, but once known --- all experiences turn out to be experiences of Truth ! :)

Love!
Silence

Dears,

Yes it is not the experiance. It is beyond experiance. It is the one ever exist without coming and going. Appearing is to disappear only so that is not the trurth. Truth is the ever existing silence.  All originates from silence and ends in silence. like we do all the days work and getting into deep sleep.

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2008, 10:18:30 AM »
Experiencer is nothing but a collection of all past dead experiences in the form of memories.Experiencing is a living thing,when it is converted
as an experience by the mind it is a dead thing which can be stored in the memory cells of the brain.When there is pure perception without
the contamination of thought there is no experiencer.
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2008, 12:07:26 PM »
Dear srkudai,  Non objective consciousness means only
object-less consciousness.  Bhagavan says, in Who am I?,
'vichara' means where there is no object.  Sri Sadhu Om,
also says the same thing in the Path of Sri Ramana, a 4 volume
book.  However, for Jnani, who has realized the Self, the appearance
disappearance of world and objects does not make any difference. 
It is he for whom, there is immateriality of the world and objects.
When a photograph which was seen by Bhagavan and also the
others in the Old Hall, was later misplaced and when everyone
was searching for it, someone asked Bhagavan whether he has
seen the photograph and has also seen its misplacement, Bhagavan
said, that he does not know both!

Arunachala Siva.   

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2008, 12:15:28 PM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju, yes.  Experience alone is there and there
is no experiencer and experienced, the duality.  Non objective
experience is the experience of the Self and here the Experience
is the Existence.  To say, objects come and go is not correct, because,
there is no object, "the drisyam" but only "the drik", the subject.

Drik                     Drisyam
Subject               Object
Real                     Superimposed
Siva                      Maya
Seer                     Seen
Jnathuru            Jneyam
Rope                    Serpent


Arunachala Siva.