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Subramanian.R

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Experiencing God as "I AM" - 3
« on: April 23, 2009, 12:56:18 PM »
Bhagavan Ramana concludes Verse 26, by stating that this state
of 'just being as we are' -- the state of Summa Iruppadu or 'just
being' and ULLapadi ULLade' or 'being as we are' [as He describes
it in the first managalam versse of ULLadu Narpadu] -- is "tanmaya
nittai" or 'abidance as God'.  The word tanmaya is a compound of
"tat" which is in Sanskrit is the neuter third person singular pronoun,
'it' or 'that', and which to philosophy is used to denote the one absolute reality or Brahman, and the suffix, 'maya', which means
'composed only of'  [or in this context "as"], and nittai or nishta
in Sanskrit, means the state of 'abidance', 'steadiness', 'being
established' or just 'being'.  Thus tanmaya nittai is our natural
state of just being, in which we remain firmly established as tat
or 'it', the one absolute nirguna reality that we call God or Brahman.

If we experience him as being anything other than our own essential
self, we are not experiencing him as he really is, but are only experiencing a  "mano-mayam katchi" or "mind-made vision",
as Bhagavan Ramana says in Verse 20 of ULLadu Narpadu.  Therefore, being God alone is knowing God as he really is.

In order thus to be God and thereby to know him as our own self,
we must cease experiencing ourself as the finite body-bound consciousness that we call our 'mind'. We must subside and merge
completely in him, thereby becoming one with him.  This truth is
emphasized by Bhagavan Ramana, in Verses 8,20,21 and 22 of
ULLadu Narpadu. 

In Verse 8, He says:

Whoever worships [the absolute reality as God] in whatever form
giving [it] whatever name, that is a path [or means] to see that
[nameless and formless] reality in [that] name and form.  However,
becoming one [with that reality], having carefully scrutinized
[or known] one's own truth [essence or 'am-ness'] and having
thereby subsided [or dissolved] in the truth [essence or 'am-ness']
of that true reality, is alone seeing [it] in truth.  Know [thus].

To contrast such imaginary worship and seeing with treu worship
and seeing, the second sentence of he verse begins with "ayinum", which means 'however'.  Only by worshipping God in truth can we
see him in truth.  The only means by which we can truly worship
him is to subside and become one with his reality, which is our own reality.

The word Bhagavan Ramana uses here to denote the reality both of God and of ourself is "un-mai", which James has translated here as
'truth'.  But which etymologically means "uL-mai", "be-ness",
"is-ness" or "am-ness"  Therefore the second sentence of the verse
could be translated as under:

.... However becoming one [with the 'am' ness of God], having
carefully scrutinized our own 'am' ness and having [thereby]
subsided in the 'am-ness' of that true realtiy, is lone seeing
[God] in truth.......

 
(Source:  As indicated in Part 1)

Arunachala Siva.         

matthias

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Re: Experiencing God as "I AM" - 3
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2009, 02:00:51 PM »
that is indeed a lot clarification isnt it?

very good article!

we are allready this self, and to think it to be different is an illusion.....so all nondual practice is a nonpractice, a nonactivity....because who can be what he is?

it is not even possible to concentrate on what we are...becasue the concentration itself is creating a duality that is just an illusion "I" concentrate on "Iam"...how silly?

and that is why I love the dzogchen precepts..of naturally relaxing into "the nature of mind" (the Self with capital S).....and the importance of knowing that it is always the here and now....

so relaxing into it is very different then concentrating on it....because relaxing is a letting go...a merging not a strong mental concentration...more a surrendering, a letting go...realxing is the best word :)

and Iam not fully sure but bhagawan said that vichara is a mental activity that uses the whole mind....I think he meant that vichara sees the whole mind as it is....and not that one should use every tiny little bit of mental energy to be who he is....that would not be a nondual practice in my eyes....and it would also be totally silly to use every little piece of my ego to be myself, sounds like a heavy neurosis :D

it can of course start in this manner, and this is natural (becaus ewe are all neurotics, even in our nondual "non"mediaton).....but however it is not genuine to be totally uneasy and concentrated like a maniac on what arises without any trace of effort....

what do you think?

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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2009, 02:13:08 PM »
Dear matthias,

Yes.  It is very difficult for most of us.  Bhagavan Ramana took only
20 minutes, to realize That. But it is not that easy.  He said in one
poem, Atma vichara is very easy, in the sense, that it needs nothing
else, no poojas, no personal gods' images, no flowers and no offerings.  That way.  But for us, we have to toil very much.  May
be several hours per day.  Then, it becomes natural for us.  There
is no need for any special sessions.  Sadhana time depends on the
readiness of a person.  If the person's ego is very bloated and if it
refuses to budge, one may need a lot of time.  Ego does not give up
the battle so easily.  It is here, that Bhagavan Ramana's Grace is necessary.  He also says, Grace is ever there.  But we should be fit
vessels to receive it.  If we take a small cup, only that much Grace we can pick up.  If we take a large drum, then the Grace is filled up more!  Many devotees came to live in Tiruvannamalai, for this purpose.  To see Him everyday and to make themselves large vessels.  Major Chadwick, having come from a Western country, did not return to his homeland at all.  Today, even though He is not present in a body, His Grace continues.  To visit Tiruvannamalai as frequently as possible, is to make us experience His Grace and Presence more and more.

Arunachala Siva.           

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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2009, 02:22:54 PM »
I think that relaxation into what is.....is genuine vichara....it is not a mental activity...it is a trancending of it...the mind can continue the games...no problem...thoughts are as empty as everything else in the manifested universe...



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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2009, 02:24:28 PM »
even my first dzogchen teacher said that it is very important to visit tirvunnamalai.....he said this will deepen the understanding very profoundly...