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Freewill and Pre-determination - 3
« on: April 22, 2009, 05:25:27 PM »
So, what is one to make of this?  Bhagavan Ramana, in His own
words, from the empirical perspective, seems to uphold a doctrine
of pre-determination, which, on the face of it, seems almost shocking, so counter-intuitive, rather disconcerting and astounding in its
total thoroughness.  "All the activities that the body is to go through
are determined when it first comes into existence.  It does not rest
with you to accept or reject them.  The only freedom you have is to turn your mind inward and renounce activities there."

[Day by Day with Bhagavan.  Devaraja Mudaliar.]

The consequences of this are not lost on any intellgent person.
One's next question becomes, if this is the case, then what responsibility does a person have?  Where is the scope for bettering
oneself, let alone for liberation?  To this, Bhagavan Ramana replied:
"Why does the body come into existence?  It is designed for the
various things that are marked out for it in this life."

[Day by Day with Bhagavan. Devaraja Mudaliar.]

Then again, on a different occasion, to a questioner with perhaps
different needs, Bhagavan Ramana replied:  "Free will exists together with the individuality.  As long as the individuality lasts, so long is
there free will.  All the scriptures are based on this fact and advise
directing the free will in the right channel.  Find out, who it is who
has free will or pre-determination and abide in that state.  Then
both are transcended.  That is the only purpose in discussing these
questions.  To whom do such questions present themselves?  Discover
that and be at peace."

[The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi in His Own Words.  Ch.2]

There appears to be no contradiction here.  According to Bhagavan
Ramana, individuality hasd only an illusory existence.  However, as long as a person imagines that he or she has a separate individuality, so long do they also imagine they have free will.  These two, individuality and free will exist together inexorably and inevitably.

(Source:  As indicated in Part 1)

Arunachala Siva.