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Subramanian.R

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Vegetarian Food and Spiritual Life - 4
« on: April 11, 2009, 02:00:37 PM »
But above all, Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.  In general He refused
to give instructions for physical discipline.  When asked about postures for sitting in meditation, He replied simply: "One Pointedness of the mind is the only good posture."  When asked
about celibacy, He would not enjoin it but said that married persons
also can attain Self Realization.

But when asked about  diet, He quite emphatically prescribed vegetarianism.  "Regulation of diet, restricting it to Sattvic (pure
and vegetarian) food taken in moderate quantities is best of all
rules of conduct and the most conducive to the development of
Sattivic qualities of mind.  These in turn help one in the practice of
Self-enquiry."  The passage quoted continues with a Western lady pleading that a concession should be made for Westerners and with
Bhagavan Ramana refusing to do so.  It should be added that in
'Sattvic food', He included milk, though an animal product, but not
eggs, which are considered to be too stimulating or rajasic.

It was characteristic of Bhagavan Ramana that he would never enjoin vegetarianism on any devotee unless asked.  But if asked, he was quite categorical about it.  If often happened in His lifetime, as it still does today, that even without asking, His devotees would develop aversion to animal food which I have mentioned  as a general feature in the aspirant in modern times.

[In His lifetime, Bhagavan Ramana insisted on only two things as
aid for self enquiry.  One is vegetarian food, and another is giri-
pradakshina, for all those who are physically fit for giripradakshina.]

In conclusion, it can be said quite definitely that vegetarianism is beneficial to those who follow a spiritual path in the conditions of he modern world, not especially to those who aspire to follow the path of the Maharshi.

(Source:  Be Still, it is the wind that sings.  A collection of essays and poems of Aruthur Osborne most of which have been published in Mountain Path.)

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Vegetarian Food and Spiritual Life - 4
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2009, 07:50:45 PM »
All the great sages without exceptions had insisted on veggie diet.

Even veggie itemslike Raddish, Drumstick, Onion, garlic are forbidden for spiritual aspirants.

Of late I have been avoiding the above list of items.

This restriction is only for beginers. For realized people they may eat anything, even meat.

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Re: Vegetarian Food and Spiritual Life - 4
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2009, 08:24:46 PM »
Dear munagala,

Yes.  Onions and garlic are supposed to activate one's sexual
impulses.

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2009, 03:33:21 PM »
here again the tibetan buddhism brought out great sages and their vegetarism is not possible, the land was not made for it...

so it is not a hindrance at all...

I started to eat meat again after some time, and my meditation is by no means "weaker", in a way the thought that holding diet will aid someting that is totally beyond anything in space//time, beyond any action...I think you know what I mean...it may be an aid, but then brushing teeth every morning, making hatha yoga or what ever aids to keep the body clean is also an aid but bhagawan did not mention it....and why?

if we are immersed int he selfe we do not create karma, so we should really keep in mind that vegetarien diet is a means of discipline and an aid to strenghten the mind....to more easily let go of it..

I think when one developed a good "faith" or better a strong knowledge of the nature of mind, then why hold on morals//ethics or rules of any kind? the self is pure....resting as the self is resting in peace, you will not create any chaos or havoc anymore....bacause as budhdist would say "compassion" is the activity of the nature of mind, so if you are resting in the moment then you cannot do any harm...not possible

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Re: Vegetarian Food and Spiritual Life - 4
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2009, 04:09:59 PM »
Arthur Osborne (and I) have given what Bhagavan Ramana told
about sattvic practices that are applicable for self enquiry.  Bhagavan
Ramana also recommended circumambulation of the Hill, which
He was also doing Himself.  If the experiences are different, it is ok.

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Re: Vegetarian Food and Spiritual Life - 4
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2009, 05:48:40 PM »
yes but all teachings can lack something, there is no absolute teaching....but of course teachers who embody the absolute

we should keep this in heart, I do not think that this will decrease faith or trust in the words//actions of a great saint...beeing alittle skeptical about the "teaching"*
is maybe a good thing also to understand the sadhana better, because if we just swallow everything and nod yes yes, we want be able to understand it fully...because "yes" implies also "no" to be fullfilled...



*(not the teacher and even less should one doubt the realisation of the teacher)

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Re: Vegetarian Food and Spiritual Life - 4
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2009, 06:40:05 PM »
Dear matthias,

I was imagining a "pageant" after I completed the post.  Let us
presume you are in London, walking in Picadilly Circus.  Suddenly,
all the lions and tigers and snakes and other ferocious animals
break upon the London Zoo, and pounce on Londoners, without any
exception, since 'they feel' such acts would not affect their
Sadhana (whatever is their Sadhana).  Will the Londoners keep
quiet without resisting and attacking those animals with guns?

The Self is full of love and bliss.  The Self will not harm other harmless
animals, like cows, lambs and chickens, particularly when these are
not harming them and more particularly some other alternate food is
available for their livelihood.  I will not say an Eskimo in Greenlandss
should eat only vegetarian food for self enquiry.  He cannot because,
no consumable vegetation is available for eating.  But not people in
India or UK, where wheat and rice and vegetables are grown in plenty.

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Re: Vegetarian Food and Spiritual Life - 4
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2009, 11:13:27 PM »

The food restriction is only for beginers. For advanced aspirants who can meditate continuously with fullest peace there is no necessity to follow dietary restrictions.

There is also a story from hindu mythology which says that Rishi Vishwamitra and rishi Vashista ate a pig when they could find nothing to eat.
When you left with no choice but to eat meat then no probs..

Veggie food is best for health and mind becos it absorbs sunlight which is the source of all life in this universe.
Animal food is B grade food.

Most canivorous animals are restless & violent whereas herbivorous animals are not as restless and violent as the former ones.




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Re: Vegetarian Food and Spiritual Life - 4
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2009, 11:31:22 PM »
dear subramanian....I was very touched by your post, in several emotions...

and it is true, but also the food will not hinder the sincere seeker, I do not think so....maybe I eat meat now to expereince the bad site of it, or strenghten my sadhana and see how it affects me...and then I will be vegetarian again...

I was a vegetarian since I started with my spiritual studies, as this style of eating is not common in europe....I actually do not know why I started to eat meat again, I have no reason for it--

I had a reason for eating only vegetables...

I do not know it just happens, and it will happen some more time, as I do not see a hindrance for my sadhana at the moment

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Re: Vegetarian Food and Spiritual Life - 4
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2009, 10:49:44 AM »
Dear munagala,

The food restriction is not only for seekers but also for everyone.
Sankara and Bhagavan Ramana did not eat meat because they
had already sought the goal that is Brahman.

Dear matthias,

I remember one story from Arthur Osborne's life.  He could not
easily shake off non vegetarian food.  Of course, he knew Bhagavan
Ramana's view on this.  Once he went to a restaurant in Madras,
and ordered for chicken.  When the chicken was brought on a plate,
he suddenly had a feeling that chicken is asking him:  Why are you
eating me?  The hotel fellow had killed me and had sin.  Why do
you also add sin to your score by eating that?  If everyone rejects
chicken, then the hotel fellow will stop killing me also.  So, why not
you try?  Arthur thought for a while, ordered for iddlis instad, took
them and returned.  The next day, his palates were itching.  He asked for fish, thinking that even Bengali Brahmins take fish.  But the fish asked the same question to him.  Lucia Osborne, his wife, had already stopped cooking non vegetarian food at home. So, Arthur Osborne
decided to take only vegetarian food and his wife had helped him
already!

Arunachala Siva.