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nonduel

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Arjuna's question
« on: June 25, 2008, 04:32:23 PM »
Dear Subramanian,

Some Self-Realized without a guru, like Sri Ramana and others, because they were very "close" in a former life. Has this point been discuss by Sri Ramana or others to your knowledge?

For the devotees of Sri Ramana who haven't realized the Self in this present life for example. I think that this was talked about when Arjuna asked the question before going into battle...not sure here.

Does the knowledge acquired during one life, is retained in memory at the death of the physical body for example.
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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Re: Arjuna's question
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2008, 05:30:30 PM »
Dear 'non duel'.  The question can be taken up with two possibilities.
For an 'avatara' like Bhagavan Ramana, the question of 'carrying
the knowledge' of the previous birth, does not arise, because they
are already the Self and the birth is to show the way and goal for
others.  For example, Jnana Sambandha, the great Saivite poet (Kavyakanta Ganapati Muni, calls Bhagavan as an 'avatara' of
Jnana Sambandha, in Ramana Gita), sange songs in praise of Shiva
at the age of 3, when Uma, the consort gave her breast milk to him,
when he was crying on the bank of a tank in Sirkali. 

For others, who have to work our their search and realize the Self
in several births, the 'carrying of knowledge' does take place.  As
they carry the effects of their good and bad deeds, they carry the
knowledge too.

In Arjuna's case, he had the anxiety about the war, which is
'Arjuna Vishada' in the first chapter.  When Krishna taught him
the knowledge, he took it and conducted the war.  But Arjuna's
'knowledge' was not complete, as he showed signs of anger, self-pride,
arrogance etc., later and vowed to bring back the dead child of
a Brahmin and rushed to Vishnu Loka, to fight the Death!  Krishna
again had to intervene and bring the child back and to tell Arjuna
that he is not fully realized, vide Narayaneeyam or Bhagvatam.
Arunachala Siva.
   

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Re: Arjuna's question
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2008, 02:52:22 PM »
Further reg: Arjuana's question, how can the anxiety or crying or
indetermination, or pain be called a 'yoga'?  Why Arjuna's anxiety
is called Arjuna Vishada Yoga?  Is it a yoga like Bhakti or Breath-
control or Jnana.  I was considering this point upto around 11 PM
last night.  The answer seems to be that even such anxiety, weeping,
pain etc., are also Yoga or the Path.  Several saints have experienced
them.  Ramakrishna wept before Kali.  Manikka Vachakar's
Tiruvachakam is a continuous weeping to merge in the Self.  Even
scolding the God or Self could be a path.  Sundaramurthy another
Saivite Saint has scolded Siva asking him, "Oh you are living without
me.  Live, live, live for eternity!"  Thirunavukkarasar has suffered
unimaginable pains at the hands of the King who was a Jain.  The
saint was thrown into the deep sea; roased in calcium-kiln and
was given poison. 

Reg:  Why did Arjuna came back from Godhead and exhibited
anger, self pride, arrogance etc., Bhagavan says that there is no
retracting the path once you merge in the Self.  Perhaps in Arjana's
case, he went near the Godhead but did not merge!

Arunachala Siva.     

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Re: Arjuna's question
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2008, 11:50:13 PM »
Dear Subramanian,

When I posted this question, my memory was that he was reluctant to go to battle because he wasn't enlightened and he was worried that if he died in battle he wouldn't Self-Realized. I think that Arjuna knew the importance and difficulty of having a physical body for Self-Realization and didn't want to shortened it in battle.

Hence my question on the death of this physical body, if the memory, the knowledge acquired "stays". Or with a new birth you have to re-acquire this knowledge.

For myself and probably most of the members here, we all had this inner restelessness, this hunger to know from a young age, leading us from one path to another with a lot of frustration. With no memory of a former life.
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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Re: Arjuna's question
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008, 12:15:56 PM »
Dear nonduel, Yes.  All of us are carrying our memory (fruits of good and bad karma) to the next birth and when the cumulative memory leads to Self knowledge we realize the Self.  The memory of one birth gives an advantage or a handicap (if it is a bad memory or fruits of karma)
in the next birth.  That is why, persons like Hunter Kannappa, within
a few visits to the Lord in the temple, could merge with the Self.  No
doubt there were several tests for him!  Every person on the way to
Self Realization has been put to test.  Arunachala Siva.