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Re: How to get rid of Vasanas etc.,? - 3
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2009, 09:32:39 AM »
Dear Ramana and Nagaraj,

In all the three paths, if one could reach the summit, then such
an ascent helps him to a great extent.  In Karma, Nishkamya Karma,
In bhakti, Para Bhakti, in Yoga, seeing the union of Siva and Sakti,
in the sahasrara,  these ascents help the practiser.  Vasanas, of
one likes them or not, are there.  We have to deal with them, as
Bhagavan Ramana said, either through Self Enquiry or through
these three paths, which finally end up in Atma Vicahara.

Arunachala Siva.
     

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Re: How to get rid of Vasanas etc.,? - 3
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2009, 01:05:10 PM »
Dear srkudai,

Yes. Bhagavan Ramana said Mano-nasam, and English writers
translated it as Destruction of mind, which gives shivers to
readers.  In mano-nasam, as you have said, mind becomes a
shadow or a Light.  The mind becomes Sivam, the Effulgence, since
it has no separate role other than that of Self.  Saint Manikkavachagar, says: O You have made my mind severed and
made me Sivam.  Acho Padigam, Decad of Oh! Oh! Tiruvachakam,
51.

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: How to get rid of Vasanas etc.,? - 3
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2009, 04:00:28 PM »
Dear Srkudai,

:) I have been saying thing that you have conveyed -

You said:

"The "I" and the "Self" are at different dimentions.
The "Self" needs no teaching.
The mind needs it.
Sadhana or anything is for mind."

and mind need not end at Self Realization. it merely becomes a shadow as Sri Annamalai swami mentions in "Final Talks"


I said

"Here it has to be noted that the one who tries to work out his Karma is the illusion 'I' not the Pure Self.

When such thug of war is going on within, there is a thug of war going on in me as well. Sometimes I feel like crying off thinking Bhagawan, his form, his eyes, his smile, his love... I begin to long for Bhagawan. At a certain point of the Thug of war within, this illusion 'I' has no option but to surrender to Bhagawan. More observation, intellectualization will be of avail to this illusion 'I' This point it will know by default, it cant do anything, simply not in its hands. It has to just wait. It will begin to bear this thug of war within, no matter how strong the thug of war is within, it simply has to but be bearing its own illusion 'self' from here the innermost prayer of the 'I' the illusion will ask Bhagawan to take itself to Bhagawan or be destroyed by Bhagawan (Pure Self) this 'I' would want to give away its life, it will even be ready to give up its life but still it knows not how to give up its life, it cannot commit suicide nor expect anybody to get itself killed
It will just remain like the notional or imaginary snake! viz. shadow

and about the efforts there are no levels to vasanas (Efforts). either you have vasanas or you dont have vasanas. There is no increase or decrease in vasanas. The 'false I' just relishes in this increase and decrease games of vasanas. the waves will never end. if it increases it will try to decrease it, if it decreases, it will further try to decrease it!

Agreed, the mind (false I, Illusion I) needs the teaching, sadhana etc... soon it will eventually come to a point when it has to lose, any more teaching, affirming that it is the King, It is only playing a role will not suffice its appetite.

Here is when the Upanishads say, that the Self cannot be know, seen, taught or perceived. It will have to give up its sadhana, efforts etc...

It will remain just like a shadow, only when it gives up all its efforts. as it cannot be killed  ... but it will eventually have to give up all its efforts, as it is endless!

Nagaraj
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Re: How to get rid of Vasanas etc.,? - 3
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2012, 09:06:19 PM »
who is destroying what ? .... lol
so many stories of vasanas ... so little time
karma is simply whatever happens , its not personal . we only think its personal because we believe ourselves to be a person.
all the effort is in telling the stories to avoid truth .
simply stop using that effort. stop telling the stories .
it requires no effort or teaching or path . all that is required is a willingness to let whatever is be .
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simply stop telling the story of the self and see who you are without it

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Re: How to get rid of Vasanas etc.,? - 3
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2012, 09:47:58 AM »
" all that is required is a willingness to let whatever is be "

Very true ... but that also is "Learnt", "Taught" :D

And then , what stops a person from "Let Whatever IS, BE" ?
even after reading this statement here ? ;)

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However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha