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Ancient Tamil books in English
« on: March 05, 2009, 09:51:53 PM »
Hi, I want to know whether there are any ancient Tamil books been made available in English

Thanks
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Re: Ancient Tamil books in English
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2009, 09:15:00 AM »
Dear karthikeyan. M,

Welcome to the Forum.  As far as I could recollect, there are a few
ancient Tamil books tranlsated either in poetry or in prose in English.
These are:

1. Tirumantiram, Book X of Saiva Canons, by Tirumoolar.  This has
been translated by someone and published by Sri Ramakrishna Math,
Chennai.  This is about some years back.  I do not know whether reprints or old edition is available.

2. Tiruvachakam, Book VIII of Saiva Canons, by Manikkavachagar.
English translation of Dr. G.U. Pope is available.  But I do not know
whether the edition which came in 1890, has been reprinted.

3. Robert Butler, devotee of  Bhagavan Ramana, has translated some of  Sangam poems like KuRun Thohai.  For the book, you have to check up with C/O Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamalai.   

4. Periya Puranam, Book XII of Saiva Canons, by Sekkizhar has been translated in English prose.  But I do not know who has published this translation.

5. Some of Azhwar's poems have been translated by A.K. Ramanujan. This is available in the book Hymns for the Drowning, published by Penguin.  You have to check up for reprints from Penguin.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2009, 03:52:00 PM »
Dear karthikeyan,

In the afternoon, I remembered two more good English translations of ancient Tamil texts.  One is again, KuRun Thohai.  Some of the
poems in this Sangam Tamil work has been translated by A.K.
Ramanujan, under the title, "Interior Landscape."  AK Ramanujan
was the Professor of Comparative Religion and Philosophy in
Chicago University.  He was a bilingual, knowing both Tamil and
Kannada.  This was published by Penguin.  The other is the excellent
translation of Saint Arunagiri Natha's Tiruppugazh, by one Mr.
Gopala Sundaram.  He has translated almost all the 1300 plus Tiruppugazh songs, in transliterated word-by-word prose and has
included the musical rendering of Mr. S. Raghavan and his group of
Tiruppugazh Devotees, New Delhi, for about 475 songs.  This is available in the web www.kaumaram.com. 

Arunachala Siva.

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Periya Puranam in English
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2009, 06:36:57 PM »
Dear Karthikeyan,

There is an English version of Periya Puranam of Sekkizhaar published by Sri Ramakrishna Math, Mylapore, Chennai. It is based on the condensed english version by G. Vanmikananathan.

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2009, 09:34:11 PM »
Firstly, Thanks a lot for the post.

And second, I stay in Bangalore, so is it possible to get those books here apart from books published by Penguin.

I recently bought the book 'A search in secret India', it simple change my view on ancient India, although it speaks of India in 1930, it simply a great book.

But Burton in his book says he has taken photos, is this book available.

And are there any books similar to that of Burton ?

I used to watch DD Podhigai, early morning some people used to speak of Nayanars,Alwars, I want to from where did these people get the in depth information, are these available in English.

And also check this link http://www.dlshq.org/download/nayanar.htm   which speaks about SIXTY-THREE NAYANAR SAINTS
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Re: Ancient Tamil books in English
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2009, 09:05:36 AM »
Dear karthikeyan. M

In Bangalore, books of religious types are available in  Vedanta Book
House, near Sri Ramakrishna Math.  SRK Math themselves are selling books.  Even certain large general stores like Gangarams, Sapna may
have some of these books.

As regards Brunton's A Search in Secret India, it was published by
Rider and Co.  I am not sure whether reprints are available.  But the
three chapters dealing with Bhgavan Ramana, are available as  seperate book from Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamali, under the
title "The Maharshi and His Message."  Brunton has authored some
more books.  But these are less known to east and west.

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: Ancient Tamil books in English
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2009, 08:57:57 PM »
Thanks for the post and sorry for delay in replying.

I have bought a book on Ramanuja from Ramakrishna Math in Bangalore written by a Ramakrishna Math person in kolkata. But the book is translation from Bengali to English, uses more Sanskrit words and even more the names are given in Sanskrit equivalent to Tamil names. I don't like this.

Some sentences speaks of Ramanjua receiving the mantra (8 syllables, OM NAMO NARAYANAYA) from disciple of Alavandar out of pity only.

Do you agree with this.

Recently last year end 2008 in DD-Podhigai TV a documentary of Ramanuja was telecast it was simply super. Do any body have a copy of that serial.

Anyway, I planning a pilgrimage to Srirangam this March last week. so can anyone tell me important places in Srirangam temple and around to visit.

Thanks

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Re: Ancient Tamil books in English
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2009, 09:09:27 AM »
Dear karthikeyan.M

Ramanuja took the mantra from ALvandar or his disciple  not out of pity, but it was destined to happen like that.  When Sankara preached
to his four disciples, Mandanamisra was very much elder to him.  Others excepting Hastmalaka, were of his age.  Hastmalaka is the youngest.  This happens.

If you are a Vishnu devotee, Sri Rangam is the best temple to visit.
There are a few other temples of Siva.  Two kilometres from Sri Rangam is Jambukeswara Temple, in Tiruvanaika.  He is Siva and his
consort is Akhilandeswari.  This is one of the five places representing five elements. Tiruvanaika represents the Water.  There is a beautiful Ganapati Temple, on the rock, within another three kms.  This is
Tiruchirapalli town.  There in the same rock strcuture, there is a Siva-Uma temple, called Mathrubhuteswara and Suganda Kundalambal.
You can visit these two temples also.  If you have got enough time and a little more money, say one week, you can visit another 10 temples of various gods.

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: Ancient Tamil books in English
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2009, 09:46:03 AM »
Dear Karthikeyan,

The Utsavar Vighraham in Sri Rangam Temple is the Kula Deivam (Ranganathar) of Sri Ramachandramurthy. It is believed that these Vighrahas were venerated by the Ikshvakus. Its the same Vighrahas even today!

Nagaraj
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Re: Ancient Tamil books in English
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2009, 04:06:37 PM »
Ramanuja took the mantra from ALvandar or his disciple  not out of pity, but it was destined to happen like that.
Arunachala Siva.   

Dear Subramanian R,
The book published by Ramakrishna Math on Ramanuja thus speaks about Sri Ramanuja getting the mantra from a person my name Gothispuram (not exact name but a similar word in Sanskrit translation from Tamil).
Its says that Ramanuja offers his services to this person who is a disciple of Alvandar, but Ramanuja's services don't please him to reveal the mantra, again the book says, that out of pity the disciple of Alvandar reveals the mantra to Sri Ramanuja.

If this is what the book says, by your words,
'' it was destined to happen like that'' you meant it happen out of pity, indeed ?
But again this questions Sri Ramanuja himself of his services, if one goes by the way of book or the way you say.

That is reason why I'm asking for a good Tamil books in English.

I'm a devotee of both Bhagavan Ramana and Sri Ramanuja.

Siva Chidambaram
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2009, 04:40:37 PM »
Dear karthikeyan,

Sri Ramakrishna Maths books are authentic.  We do not have any
recorded history of Sri Ramanuja.  Even Sri Sankara's biography
by Madhva Vidranya has got many versions.  It may be out of pity
or anything that Sri Ramanuja got the mantra.  We may not know.
Bhagavan Ramana volunteered to go out the Old Hall and told an
unknown Harijan to chant Siva Siva.  Why? We do not know.  Is it
out of pity or that Harijan's service?  What service did the Harijan
do for Bhagavan Ramana?  It is called ahedu-karuna in Sanskrit.
Mercy without any tangible reasons!  Lalita Tripura Sundari is eulogzied in Sri Lalita Sahasranamam, like that.  The last verse in
the same book says:  Abala gopa viditha.... One who blesses even
the shepherds and cowherds!  Why?  The first "nama" answers this
point.  She is Srimata, the Mother of all.  The mother does not feed her child out pity or asking.  What can the newborn baby ask?  It is not
out of pity either.  The new babe is Her own, why need for a pity?
Saint Manikkavachagar says: " I am lowlier than a lowly dog, but you desired and took care of me..."  Nayir kadaiyai kidanthenai nayanthu neeye atkondai.....   

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Ancient Tamil books in English
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2009, 05:53:38 PM »
Dear Subramanian.R

Thanks for the post, but you have not answered to the point of the question.

Are there any other books published on Ramanuja, as i said I will be visiting Srirangam this Month end, are there any book stalls in the temple premise, in around Srirangam
Books on  Ramanuja other than the book published from Ramakrishna Maths.


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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2009, 06:09:51 PM »
Dear karthikeyan. M.

Sri Ramanuja was a versatile scholar both in Tamil and Sanskrit.
There a number of books by him.  He has commented on Brahma
Sutra Bhashyam.  These are either in Tamil or in Sanskrit.  In
Sri Rangam, there are a number of bookshops near the temple and
you may check up with them. 

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2009, 06:13:48 PM »
Dear karthikeyan. M

SRK Math has given an English translation of Sri Ramanuja's
Brahma Sutra Bhashyam.  This is mainly to compare him with
Sri Sankara.  As otherwise, there are not any other books of
Sri Ramanuja from SRK Math.

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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2009, 06:42:36 PM »

SRK Math has given an English translation of Sri Ramanuja's
Brahma Sutra Bhashyam.  This is mainly to compare him with
Sri Sankara.  As otherwise, there are not any other books of
Sri Ramanuja from SRK Math.
Arunachala Siva.

Thanks for the post, You meant that SRK Math supports Sri Ramanuja and that is the reason why english translation from bengalee of life of Ramanuja is little different.

Ok I have heard of Sri Bhashyam, what is Brahma Sutra Bhashyam, what Sri Ramanuja says in that book.

but coming back to SRK Math book on Sri Ramanuja, I read the book, but in some sections the book comes heavily against Siva. Have you read the book.