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matthias

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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #60 on: March 22, 2009, 01:07:16 PM »
dear subramanian

yes it is transformation of the ego not execution with one hit... :) (but this also happens sometimes)

I think the ego is becoming still and fullfilled by seeing and resting in the timeless now....so the ego also beceoms still and timeless after practicing....all the unnatural behaviour is slowly tranformed and you become who you allready are without tons of masking, and exalting etc..just a natural grain of sand on some cosmic shore

I truely enjoy all your posts....it is wonderfull to stop bye and share...a great aid our little satsang...I think some of us discussed it earlier...this site is under guidence of sri bhagawan....and his pressence is observing and directing the discussion....in a way he speaks through all of us for the clarifactaion of both "writer" and "reader" accoriding to subject....for me this website is like a little honeypot and I feel like winnie the puh-bear :D

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I-I consciousness and Samadhi
« Reply #61 on: March 22, 2009, 08:20:57 PM »
I-I consciousness and Samadhi
-- Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi

Sri Bhagavan said that the tiny hole in the Heart remains always closed,
but it is opened by vichara with the result that "I-I" consciousness shines forth.
It is the same as samadhi.


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God, Guru, Self
« Reply #62 on: March 23, 2009, 08:14:42 PM »
God, Guru, Self

- God, Guru and Self are only different forms of the same.

- So long as you think you are the individual you believe in God.
On worshipping God, God appears to you as Guru.
On serving Guru He manifests as the Self.

-- Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi


- The greatest Guru is your inner Self.
Truly, he is the supreme teacher.
He alone can take you to your goal and he alone meets you at the end of the road.
Confide in him and you need no outer Guru.

- But again you must have the strong desire to find him and do nothing that will create obstacles and delays.
And do not waste energy and time on regrets. Learn from your mistakes and do not repeat them.

-- Nisargadatta Maharaj


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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #63 on: March 24, 2009, 12:14:59 AM »
the famous Tilopa's Mahamudra Instruction to Naropa

one of the most beautiful tibetan texts....and incredible powerfull and cleaning of false identifications....

Homage to the Eighty Four Mahasiddhas!
Homage to Mahamudra!
Homage to the Vajra Dakini!

Mahamudra cannot be taught. But most intelligent Naropa,
Since you have undergone rigorous austerity,
With forbearance in suffering and with devotion to your Guru,
Blessed One, take this secret instruction to heart.

Is space anywhere supported? Upon what does it rest?
Like space, Mahamudra is dependant upon nothing;
Relax and settle in the continuum of unalloyed purity,
And, your bonds loosening, release is certain.

Gazing intently into the empty sky, vision ceases;
Likewise, when mind gazes into mind itself,
The train of discursive and conceptual thought ends
And supreme enlightenment is gained.

Like the morning mist that dissolves into thin air,
Going nowhere but ceasing to be,
Waves of conceptualization, all the mind's creation, dissolve,
When you behold your mind's true nature.

Pure space has neither colour nor shape
And it cannot be stained either black or white;
So also, mind's essence is beyond both colour and shape
And it cannot be sullied by black or white deeds.

The darkness of a thousand aeons is powerless
To dim the crystal clarity of the sun's heart;
And likewise, aeons of samsara have no power
To veil the clear light of the mind's essence.

Although space has been designated "empty",
In reality it is inexpressible;
Although the nature of mind is called "clear light",
Its every ascription is baseless verbal fiction.

The mind's original nature is like space;
It pervades and embraces all things under the sun.

Be still and stay relaxed in genuine ease,
Be quiet and let sound reverberate as an echo,
Keep your mind silent and watch the ending of all worlds.

The body is essentially empty like the stem of a reed,
And the mind, like pure space, utterly transcends
       the world of thought:
Relax into your intrinsic nature with neither abandon nor control -
Mind with no objective is Mahamudra -
And, with practice perfected, supreme enlightenment is gained.

The clear light of Mahamudra cannot be revealed
By the canonical scriptures or metaphysical treatises
Of the Mantravada, the Paramitas or the Tripitaka;
The clear light is veiled by concepts and ideals.

By harbouring rigid precepts the true samaya is impaired,
But with cessation of mental activity all fixed notions subside;
When the swell of the ocean is at one with its peaceful depths,
When mind never strays from indeterminate, non-conceptual truth,
The unbroken samaya is a lamp lit in spiritual darkness.

Free of intellectual conceits, disavowing dogmatic principles,
The truth of every school and scripture is revealed.

Absorbed in Mahamudra, you are free from the prison of samsara;
Poised in Mahamudra, guilt and negativity are consumed;
And as master of Mahamudra you are the light of the Doctrine.

The fool in his ignorance, disdaining Mahamudra,
Knows nothing but struggle in the flood of samsara.
Have compassion for those who suffer constant anxiety!
Sick of unrelenting pain and desiring release, adhere to a master,
For when his blessing touches your heart, the mind is liberated.

KYE HO! Listen with joy!
Investment in samsara is futile; it is the cause of every anxiety.
Since worldly involvement is pointless, seek the heart of reality!

In the transcending of mind's dualities is Supreme vision;
In a still and silent mind is Supreme Meditation;
In spontaneity is Supreme Activity;
And when all hopes and fears have died, the Goal is reached.

Beyond all mental images the mind is naturally clear:
Follow no path to follow the path of the Buddhas;
Employ no technique to gain supreme enlightenment.

KYE MA! Listen with sympathy!
With insight into your sorry worldly predicament,
Realising that nothing can last, that all is as dreamlike illusion,
Meaningless illusion provoking frustration and boredom,
Turn around and abandon your mundane pursuits.

Cut away involvement with your homeland and friends
And meditate alone in a forest or mountain retreat;
Exist there in a state of non-meditation
And attaining no-attainment, you attain Mahamudra.

A tree spreads its branches and puts forth leaves,
But when its root is cut its foliage withers;
So too, when the root of the mind is severed,
The branches of the tree of samsara die.

A single lamp dispels the darkness of a thousand aeons;
Likewise, a single flash of the mind's clear light
Erases aeons of karmic conditioning and spiritual blindness.

KYE HO! Listen with joy!
The truth beyond mind cannot be grasped by any faculty of mind;
The meaning of non-action cannot be understood in compulsive activity;
To realise the meaning of non-action and beyond mind,
Cut the mind at its root and rest in naked awareness.

Allow the muddy waters of mental activity to clear;
Refrain from both positive and negative projection -
leave appearances alone:
The phenomenal world, without addition or subtraction, is Mahamudra.

The unborn omnipresent base dissolves your impulsions and delusions:
Do not be conceited or calculating but rest in the unborn essence
And let all conceptions of yourself and the universe melt away.

The highest vision opens every gate;
The highest meditation plumbs the infinite depths;
The highest activity is ungoverned yet decisive;
And the highest goal is ordinary being devoid of hope and fear.

At first your karma is like a river falling through a gorge;
In mid-course it flows like a gently meandering River Ganga;
And finally, as a river becomes one with the ocean,
It ends in consummation like the meeting of mother and son.

If the mind is dull and you are unable to practice these instructions,
Retaining essential breath and expelling the sap of awareness,
Practising fixed gazes - methods of focussing the mind,
Discipline yourself until the state of total awareness abides.

When serving a karmamudra, the pure awareness
      of bliss and emptiness will arise:
Composed in a blessed union of insight and means,
Slowly send down, retain and draw back up the bodhichitta,
And conducting it to the source, saturate the entire body.
But only if lust and attachment are absent will that awareness arise.

Then gaining long-life and eternal youth, waxing like the moon,
Radiant and clear, with the strength of a lion,
You will quickly gain mundane power and suprem enlightenment.

May this pith instruction in Mahamudra
Remain in the hearts of fortunate beings.


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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #64 on: March 24, 2009, 09:11:35 PM »
Truly, a powerful practice.
No doubt it is taught by a very powerful Master.

There is also a great similarity with self enquiry, although apparently it may not appear so ...

There are no shortcuts to achieve this:
When serving a karmamudra, the pure awareness
      of bliss and emptiness will arise:
Composed in a blessed union of insight and means,
Slowly send down, retain and draw back up the bodhichitta,
And conducting it to the source, saturate the entire body.
But only if lust and attachment are absent will that awareness arise.


Only when the lust and attachment are absent will the awareness arise, so no shortcuts.
However the result will be long-lasting.
A person will really feel blessed after this, no doubt.


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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #65 on: March 24, 2009, 09:13:09 PM »
Tasting Jnana, Steadying Jnana

- Jnana, once revealed, takes time to steady itself.

- Self remains veiled by vasanas and reveals itself when there are no vasanas.
Owing to the fluctuations of the vasanas,  jnana takes time to steady itself.

- Unsteady jnana is not enough to check rebirths.

- Fear of loss of samadhi while one is active is the sign of ignorance.
Samadhi must be the natural life of everyone.

- Having once experienced the Bliss of Peace no one would like to be out of it or engaged himself otherwise.

-- Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi


- Nirvana is the realisation of the Self; and after having once known that, if only for an instant, never again can one be deluded by the mirage of the personality. Having eyes, we must see the apparent, but all the time we know what it is; we have found out its true nature.

-- Swami Vivekananda


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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #66 on: March 24, 2009, 09:44:40 PM »
Nice post Dear Silentgreen,

Jnana, once revealed, takes time to steady itself.

It takes us time to steady because we are not able to know what It is, what the Self is? The time that takes for us is nothing but our ignorence alone. Ignorence is time and knowledge is eternal.

Time exists only for ignorence. the eternal has no time.

Jnana is ever there. Just that we dont know what that Jnana is. We keep searching it! once when it is concretely understood, we become Jnani.

Nagaraj
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #67 on: March 24, 2009, 10:38:53 PM »
yes both mahamudra and dzogchen practiceis very close to atma vichara....

therefore Iam interessted in it


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Stages of Self Realization
« Reply #68 on: March 25, 2009, 08:14:21 PM »
Stages of Self Realization

Q. Is then hearing the Truth meant only for a limited few?

- The ordinary one is to hear it enunciated and explained by the master.

- However the right one is to raise the question for oneself and seek and find the answer in oneself as the unbroken "I-I"

- To be reflecting on this experience is the second stage.

- To remain one-pointed in it is the third stage.


Q. Can the temporary experience be called samadhi?

- No. It forms part of the third stage.

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- The fourth stage is the final one of liberation.

-- Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi



When the mind is attached to the consciousness of the external world, it sees gross objects and abides in the Annamaya-kosa, the physical sheath of the soul, which depends on food. When the mind turns itself inward, it is like shutting the door of a house and entering its inner apartments; that is to say, it goes from the gross into the subtle, thence into the causal, till it reaches the final causal state. In that state the mind is merged in the Absolute and nothing can be said of it.

-- Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2009, 09:35:46 AM »
Dear silentgreen,

Yes. Most of us are at best in the third stage, where there is staying
in the Self for a small time.  It is like a flash of lightning.  But to
make it permanent, meditation and self enquiry and meeting the
Master should be done.  Bhagavan Ramana's case was different.
In His twenty minutes self enquiry at Madurai house, He merged
with Brahman once for all.  There is no flash of lightning, it became
a permanent Light.  Such cases are very rare.  Tiru Jnana Sambandhar, the first of Siva Saints, 'cried' for not seeing his father,
who was drowning in the tank and bathing.  Siva and Uma appeared before him and  Uma gave her breast milk to him.  He started singing in the richness of the Self within.  When his father came out of the tank and asked: Who gave you milk?  I am seeing milk trickling down from your mouth?   The poet sang:  He is with a ear stud, he came on  the bull, He was wearing crescent moon, His body was full of holy ashes, He has taken away "my mind"  He is the Lord of Brahmapuram, Sirkazhi!

Now the question arises.  Uma gave him milk.  But he sings about
Siva.  How come? He mentions subtly in the first line, He is wearing an ear stud.  Ear stud is the ornament of ladies.  We call it Thodu in Tamil. What men wore was Kuzhai in Tamil.  By mentioning ear stud,
the saint says He came with Uma, who is concorporate with Him!
He further says:  He has taken away my mind.  That is the state
of mindless Jnana, the Self Realization!

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2009, 07:01:27 PM »
That is correct.
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Earnestness
« Reply #71 on: March 26, 2009, 07:04:37 PM »
Earnestness

- Find what is it that never sleeps and never wakes, and whose pale reflection is our sense of 'I'.

Q: How am I to go about this finding out?

- How do you go about finding anything?
By keeping your mind and heart in it.
Interest there must be and steady remembrance.
To remember what needs to be remembered is the secret of success.
You come to it through earnestness.

Q: Do you mean to say that mere wanting to find out is enough?
Surely, both qualifications and opportunities are needed.

- These will come with earnestness.
What is supremely important is to be free from contradictions:
the goal and the way must not be on different levels;
life and light must not quarrel; behaviour must not betray belief.
Call it honesty, integrity, wholeness; you must not go back, undo, uproot, abandon the conquered ground.
Tenacity of purpose and honesty in pursuit will bring you to your goal.


-- Nisargadatta Maharaj

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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #72 on: March 26, 2009, 08:07:15 PM »
wonderfull post dear silentgreen 

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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #73 on: March 27, 2009, 09:32:38 AM »
Dear silentgreen, matthias,

Sri Sankara calls it Mumukshatvam, the desire to get liberated.
That is the first pre requisite.  Throwing away all our other desires,
like buying a second cell phone, a new TV, a second flat in the city,
we should desire Mumukshatvam.  This is itself a qualification and
you become an adhikari, qualifed.  Guru or God will automatically
come. 

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #74 on: March 27, 2009, 02:55:48 PM »
yes the desire to get liberated can be at some moments overhelming....but this is also not the best way I think....

we should grant us some timeless moments where we do not desire anything, not even liberation...

the wish to get liberated, or to find peace, or enlightment or whatever...is indeed the highest and greatest desire (maybe bodhicitta goes one step beyond it, as it is the wish to achive the highest enlightment for the benefits of every living beeing...not for the the own ego...)

but anyway this desire is important to keep you going, keep you focused on sadhana...but a t the same time we should grant us times of no desire....moments were the arising mind is enough....for this mind is allready the enlightened mind...and so if desires are left behind we experience bliss and peace