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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2009, 10:44:30 PM »
One Universal Creator God. The Name Is Truth. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace

Chant And Meditate:
True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages.
True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True
By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times.......

beginning verses of the guru grant sahib....a very touching holy book I sometimes read in it from internet pages


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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2009, 03:45:50 PM »
I like this small verse very much...

The Great Master of Oddiyana once said:

     Don’t investigate the root of things,
     Investigate the root of Mind!
     Once the mind’s root has been found,
     You’ll know one thing, yet all is thereby freed.
     But if the root of Mind you fail to find,
     You will know everything but nothing
            understand.

-----an old dzogchen teaching

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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2009, 07:49:46 PM »
Very nice and pertinent.
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Non-Violence
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2009, 07:51:16 PM »
Non-Violence

The being whom you want to kill is none other than you.

The being whom you wish to govern and enslave is none other than you.

Killing a living being is killing one's own self;
Compassion towards creature is compassion towards oneself.

Therefore he who desires his own good should not harm any creature.

-- Lord Mahavir


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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2009, 10:00:27 PM »
isnt it the same with the ego of the "spiritual" person?

how crazy is it...? this wish to kill the ego....who wants to kill it?

this battle is a very good way to spent years running in the wrong direction...

I agree with Ken wilber who says that transpersonal or transcendent is Body//Ego + Spirit and not Ego - Body and Emotions....

it transcends them (embracing but negating, so you are not longer body and mind, but they are still part of the experinece in a way...jet without own power)

when we get in touch with god or the primordial awereness, the heart or the "Iamness" then we are more then a ego, and not BAMM!!!!--> no ego...this wish to be without any-sort of personality is total irrelevant for my sadhana anyway




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Samadhi
« Reply #50 on: March 18, 2009, 08:56:35 PM »
I agree with you.
I have not found any sadhana advocating violence on the ego...
Whenever killing the ego was mentioned it actually meant transcending the ego..

Here is what Sri Ramakrishna says:

Samadhi
-- Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa

Q. Do you have, sir, the slightest idea of ego when you are merged in Samadhi?

A. Yes, usually a little ego remains.
It is like a particle of gold leaf, which if rubbed on a lump of gold does not wear itself off completely.
All outward consciousness disappears, but the Lord keeps a little ego to let me enjoy Him.

Sometimes, however, He drives away even that little.
This is the highest Samadhi.
No one can say what that state is ---
it is the absolute transformation of one's own self into His.

The doll made of salt plunged into the ocean to measure its depth, but no sooner that it touch the water that it was dissolved.
Then who could come up to give information as to how deep the ocean was!


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« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2009, 03:01:46 PM »
yes but it is very very easy to missunderstand alot of the teachings of today..in fact I feel a part in myself wants to missinterpret it :)

Imagine how much energy the ego gets if it starts to try to kill itself....incredible..first the ego has to be parted into another self (a spiritual one) and then the spiritual one can start to erase the ordinary one...tons of psychic and physical energy can be wasted in this senseless battle..(and I went through it, I guess)

in reality sadhana (A good sadhana) is effortless...sometimes Iam blessed to sit or make yoga or to make a wlkaing meditaiton or wahtever and Iam effortless, present and whole...no mind is running arround to alter or change anything..then Iam at peace, because I see that Iam peace (that there is no way to peace, and no way away from peace)...

so vichara is just a stop, stop and see...and what you see is that this appearing mind is allready enlightened...what a divine paradox it is.....this moment beeing what I desire is just bound by my desire

so I pray for us all to be on the right path, and that bhagawan may bless us withthe peace beyond words...I pray that he takes us into his heart cavity....to rest, and rest and rest from all this havoc and chaos of toughts...

shanti to you too





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Mortification
« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2009, 09:02:20 PM »
Similarly for the human body.

It has such intelligence, the circulatory system, digestive system and all the life processes getting executed with such intelligence; and a healthy man does not require to think of it even for 5 minutes a day.

Just by pondering on this fact there is a sense that the life processes might be driven by a higher intelligence; and most of what human being thinks under his control may not be his.



Mortification

-- Lord Buddha

All mortification is in vain so long as the self remains,
so long as the self continues to last after either worldly or heavenly pleasures.

But he in whom self has become extinct, is free from lust;
he will desire neither worldly nor heavenly pleasures, and the satisfaction of his
natural wants will not defile him.

Let him eat and drink according to the needs of the body.


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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2009, 10:33:06 AM »
Dear silentgreen,

The Tenth door is the top of the skull, the Sahasrara, through which the individual pierce through and merge with Brahman, in Raja Yoga.


Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2009, 06:28:45 PM »
Nanak has given a beautiful summary of his teachings in one of his hymns as follows: -

Love the saints of every faith!
Put away thy pride!
Remember the essence of religion is meekness and sympathy!

Not fine clothes,
Not the Yogi’s garb and ashes,
Not the blowing of the horns,
Not the shaven head,
Not long prayers,
Not recitations and torturing,
Not the ascetic way,

But a life of goodness and purity, Amid the world’s temptations.

Nagaraj
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Multiply
« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2009, 07:18:08 PM »
Very nice.

A mother was once asked:
Mother, how do you divide your love among your five children?
Mother replied: I do not divide love, I multiply it.

A devotee was once asked:
Devotee, how do you divide your devotion among so many gods?
Devotee replied: I do not divide devotion, I multiple it.


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Spiritual Investigation
« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2009, 07:21:01 PM »
Spiritual Investigation

- O thou who art thyself the son of a Sage, listen to me carefully, for this is hard to understand even when hearing it explained.
Hearing it a thousand times over will be useless unless one verifies the teachings by means of investigation into the Self with a concentrated mind.

- A lamp illumines all around but does not illumine itself or another light. It shines of itself without other sources of light. Things shine in sunlight without the necessity for any other kind of illumination. Because lights do not require to be illumined, do we say that they are not known or that they do not exist?

- Therefore, as it is thus with lights and things made aware by the conscious self, what doubt can you have regarding abstract consciousness, namely the Self?

- Lights and things being insentient, cannot be self-aware. Still, their existence or manifestation is under no doubt. That means they are self-luminous. Can you not similarly investigate with an inward mind in order to find out if the all-comprehending Self is conscious or not conscious?

- That Consciousness is absolute and transcends the three states (wakefulness, dream and slumber) and comprises all the universe making it manifest. Nothing can be apprehended without its light.

- If you infer its eternal light, then closely investigate whether the light is of itself or not.
Everybody fails in this investigation however learned and proficient he may be, because his mind is not bent inward but restlessly moves outward. As long as thoughts crop up, so long has the turning inward of the mind not been accomplished. As long as the mind is not inward, so long the Self cannot be realised.


-- from Tripura Rahasya

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Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2009, 11:29:57 AM »
Dear silentgreen and Nagaraj,

Excellent.  Bhagavan Ramana has said if you intensify love, the love
becomes more and more. 

Mother is always representation of Love.  All great saints have sung
God as Mother.  Saint Manikkavachagar says in Tiruvachakam, "O you like a mother, gives your breast to this child without even my asking.
If you do not give that, then I shall suffer like a savalai* baby."

(* savalai baby is one, who is denied breast feeding, because another child was born to the mother, within, say another 14 months.)

Bhagavan Ramana has said:  Desiring the Self is the only desire one
should have.  Killing the ego is the only injury we can inflict upon.
Killing of ego is acutally transforming the ego.

Arunachala Siva.

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Devotional Reading
« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2009, 08:51:10 PM »
Devotional Reading

When Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was in Srirangam he met a Brahmana who read the Gita every day before the Deity without understanding the meaning. Some scholars there used to scoff and hurl insulting words at this man, but he used to read with rapt attention in spite of the derision of these scholars. Seeing his tears of joy and tremor of body, the Master asked him what it was that inspired him and put him into rapture.

He replied, "I am an ignorant man who does not understand the words of the Gita. Still I am reading it at the bidding of my Guru. When I do so, my heart is rapt, beholding before my mind's eye the dark beauty of Krishna as he sits on the chariot of Arjuna as its driver and gives His talk"

To him the master replied:
"You alone are worthy to read the Gita, and you alone understand its essence".


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« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2009, 10:14:27 AM »
One uneducated was given by Bhagavan Ramana, the mantra:
Siva Siva.  "Siva Siva" is called Double Headed Ruby by Saiva
Siddhantis.  One mantra is sufficient.  Saint Arunagiri Natha wrote
floods of poetry.  Finally Muruga came and said: Summa Iru.  Be Still.
He stopped writing and kept mum for the rest of his life!

One another devotee was telling Vasi Vasi instead of Siva Siva.  Siva said to Parvati:  O! he is doing Vasiya (magical attraction) for me.
I should go immediately and give him darshan!

Arunachala Siva.