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Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi and emotions
« on: May 27, 2008, 01:14:09 PM »
Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi is the Absolute Truth.  HE IS.
Brahman just is and exhibits no emotions.  It is beyond good
and evil, pain and pleasure, joy and sorrow.  But when He was
in His body, Bhagavan has exhibited certain extreme emotions of
sorrowful tears and joyful tears.  When Mother Alagamma merged
in the Self, He is said to have to remarked, 'Let us go and eat.'  But,
He had shed profuse tears, when Echammal brought her destitute
grandson Ramana, and placed him on His laps!  Similarly, when He
was reading Arunachala Puranam (Tamil), and when the chapter,
where Sadananda, son of Sage Gautama, came to his father and
reported the arrival of Uma to their cottage in Arunachala Hill, came,
Bhagavan is reported to have shed joy-ful tears and stopped reading
and kept away the book!  I want my fellow-Forum members to give
their views on this.  I know only some half-answer, but that is later. 

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi and emotions
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2008, 06:14:12 PM »
Dear friends, I am sorry I raised this point yesterday.  Bhagavan
nicely slapped me on my cheeks today.   When I was reading,
David Godman's 'Be as you are',  I came across this passage in
Part I,  Chapter 3, (page 40 of 1992 Penguin edition):

"The jnani weeps with the weeping, laughs with the laughing,
plays with the playful, sings with those who sing, keeping time
to the song.  What does he lose?  His presence, is like a pure,
transparent mirror.  It reflects the image exactly as it is. But
the jnani, who is only a mirror, is unaffected by actions. How
can a mirror, or the stand on which it is mounted, be affected
by the reflections?  Nothing affects them as they are mere
supports."

It is originally from Letters from Sri Ramanasramam, by Smt.
Suri Nagamma.

If similar answers have been given by Bhagavan on other
occasions, please elucidate to me.

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi and emotions
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2008, 03:37:28 AM »
It seems to me that some semblance of the former personality must exist . He said something about it being like a burnt rope and no use to tie anything by.
He seemed more intensly HUMAN than anyone else .Maybe the Personality ,the Emotions and whatever thoughts there were were a vehicle for transmiting his grace .
The brain is some sort of bio computer ,it can perform calculations ,the use of language is the use of the mind .
So the Master can use all of the minds functions ,thoughts emotions  cliches etc but not be bound by them of identify with them .
What do you think of this ?

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi and emotions
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2008, 11:08:34 AM »
Dear Hutchinson,  You are quite correct.  Bhagavan Ramana did exhibit
emotions of joy and sorrow, pleasure and pain.  He is " Human,
all to Human" as Nietzshe said.  Whether it was from His previous
births or from His "Suddha-manas"  - Pure Mind, it is only for us
to investigate!  When, He heard some sound from the well, when
everybody else heard it or did not hear  it, we do not know, He asked
somebody to drop a basket and lift the small creature ( a butterfly or
a bird) from out of the well.  Similarly, when He observed a squirrel
being chased by a monkey, on the pathway,  He quickly threw His stick and prevented the onslaught, and in the process, He fell down and sustained injuries! There are many such incidents.  He saved a parrot in the Hill.  He did not like the squirrel's nest being demolished  in the Old Hall.   If one could shed tears on reading such incidents, he will be
blessed by Him. Arunachala-Siva.         
 

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi and emotions
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2008, 06:52:11 PM »
Depending on the position one consider this. If from the point that all is the Self it will be quite different.

Like the projector and the screen that Sri Ramana used to illustrate this, isn't the picture on the screen a projection from the mind, and Self is the light that enable this.

All is Brahman, all is the Self and there are no other. It follows that all that is "seen", experienced, is only one's movie. Even the presence of a guru is projected by the Self. The book that comes in my hand, the people that I meet, the discussions here with you......all the movie projected by Self.

It is only the Jiva that "sees" all as diversity, as outward of Self, as others".

There is a "breaking point", I think, where one is convinced that I AM THAT I AM instead of reading about it, having an intellectual knowledge/understanding, and "awaits" Realisation.

Then, one is resting in Beingness and all the questions become futile. I tend to believe that this is an important step. It makes me think of Sri Nisargadatta who said that his guru told him this and he never doubted, he believed his guru and Self-Realized in three years. He was in fact very direct in saying this.

As always, just my opinion expressed and you are all welcome to refute it. I would appreciate your views.
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi and emotions
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2008, 12:38:17 PM »
Dear non-duel,  I have no quarrel.  During the intellectual pursuit
and when we are still on the way, it is I AM THAT I AM.  When
we reach the goal, or become the goal or when we are the goal,
it is I AM I AM.  All is well that begins well and ends well.  For
Bhagavan Ramana, it happened instantly.  Sri Nisragadatta Maharaj
took three years to realize.  In Kathopanisad, Nachiketas took
three days in Yama's abode to realize.  In Chandogya Upanisad,
some disciple took 96 years!  Under Zen Masters, Rinzai and Bosho,
some students worked out one single 'koan' for one day and attained
'satori'.  Some other students tooks several years to work out a single
'koan'  and had 'satori'.  Ultimately, I think, it all depends on one's
"carry-forward stocks"!   Arunachala Siva.     

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi and emotions
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2008, 05:11:14 PM »
Dear Subramanian,

Yes!

Sri Ranjit Maharij and his guru Sri Atmananda Krhrisna Menon were very direct in exposing the truth. I AM THAT I AM is the core of the teaching. All is Brahman, the Self.

The waking state is a dream and in it we have the thought "I-am-the-body", a dream of duality, diversity.  If I remember correctly, Sri Atmananda Menon put much emphasis on the dream-like waking state. He would point out that like the dream in sleep, when one "awakens" we instantly realized that no matter what happened in that dream it was all unreal.

One can consider this for the waking-state on different aspects. Considering that all is one, all is the Self, and all our waking-state experiences is a mere dream. Realization, then, is the realization of this, or our awakening from this dream.

Thus of what importance is being vegetarian, doing japas, meditating...etc...etc.  Are the actions done in a dream of any importance? If one is vegetarian and eats meat in a dream, is that important and of any consequence on Self-realization?

I do not want to discuss vegetarian here, just taking this as an example.

I read somewhere, forgot where, if all is the Self, who is the killer and who is the victim?

There are some misunderstanding when one start to read the translation of Sri Ramana's teaching, like the heart on the right side, what is Atma-Vicchara etc. Also the fact that in his great Love, Sri Ramana would always answer in respect to the person. To one he would recommend Japas, to another breath control, to another....

This is why I particularly like Sri Sadhu Om's three books which explains the correct understanding and teaching of Sri Ramana.

Does a movie of war projected on a screen, where fire break out, booms explodes, thousand are killed affect the screen?

My respect Dear Subramanian.
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi and emotions
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2008, 12:16:32 PM »
Dear non-duel, I agree with you.  What Sri Atmananda Menon
called as 'dreaming in waking' state, is the 'sleepless sleep' of
Bhagavan Ramana.  In Upadesa Saram, Bhagavan mentioned all
the four paths of karma, bhakti, yoga and jnana.  I believe they
are all inter-woven. desireless karma, bhakti to the Heart within,
yoga of simply watching the breath, and jnana of staying in the
Absolute are inseparably coexistent in a jnani.  Bhagavan did
kichen chores by waking up at 2.30 AM, made a nice stick for the
shepherd on the Hill, read books on bhakti and showed infinite
compassion even towards the lowly, and ever stayed in Self.
I have not read Sadhu Om, but I am reading a little bit of classical
Tamil poems of Muruganar.  I want to buy Sri Sadhu Om's books. 
Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi and emotions
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2008, 06:21:59 PM »
I am reading presently "TALKS with Sri Ramana Maharshi", an amazing book!

Page 441, talk 450 quote:

"The vision implies the seer. The seer cannot deny the existence of the Self. There is no moment when the Self as Consciousness does not exist; nor can the seer remain apart from Consciousness. This Consciousness is the eternal Being and the only Being. The seer cannot see himself. Does he deny his existence because he cannot see himself with the eyes as pratyaksha (in vision)? No! So, pratyaksha does not mean seeing, but BE-ing.

"To BE" is to realise - Hence I AM THAT I AM. I AM is Siva. Nothing else can be without Him. Everything has its being in Siva and because of Siva"

"Therefore enquire "Who am I?" Sink deep within and abide as the Self. That is Siva and BE-ing." (end of quote)

Sri Ramana said this a few times in some talks. Sri Nisargadatta said to dwelve in the I AM. By working at keeping the attention on the self, I AM ( "I-thought" ) one is BE-ing.

BE-ing!  All the rest, thinking, thoughts, analysing, practices....is duality and being the non-self.
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi and emotions
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2008, 11:00:15 AM »
Dear non-duel,  In the same context, I suggest you read
"Day by Day with Bhagavan" by Mr. Devaraja Mudaliar,
which covers another 3 to 4 years of His life and teachings.
Summing up,  Bhagavan says:

1.  "I" is more potent than even "OM" the Hindu Pravana
Mantra, which is the primordial mantra for invoking the
gods and Brahman.  It is the same as what Abraham tells
in the Bible.

2.  The jiva (individual), gods and the world are mere
imaginations.  All are  forms of Siva or Brahman.  Brahman stays in
the Heart and is indicated by "I".  It remains there during
wakeful, dream and sleep states.  When one dies, the mind
takes 'prana'  (breath) with it and leaves for another birth,
hell or heaven. The mind carries the 'vasanas' (latencies) of
the birth.  When mind is annihilated, one is Brahman. 

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi and emotions
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2008, 01:46:30 PM »
"Has anyone fed the peacock yet"?  Forgive me i am only recently acquainted with this forum. i understand these were Ramana Maharshi's last words.

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi and emotions
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2008, 02:07:51 PM »
Dear "knowone",  Bhagavan Ramana, is an ocean of grace, love and
concern for all living beings.  On 14th April 1950, a couple of hours
before his Maha Niravana, from His bed, when He heard the cooing of
peococks, He asked the attendants:  "Have the peacocks been fed?"
Again, on the same evening, when one Telugu speaking devotee with sobbing and tears, asked : "Abhayam i.e.Protection, please" , He said
in Telugu: "Icchenu", meaning "I have given!"  Arunachala Siva.