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Savikalpa and Nirvikalpa Samadhi
« on: January 27, 2009, 01:47:57 PM »
Mr. S.S. Cohen:  May I have a clear idea, Bhagavan, of the difference between Savikalpa and Nirvikalpa Samadhi?

Bhagavan:

Holding on to the Supreme State is Samadhi. When Savikalpa, when these disturbances are are absent, it is Nirvikalpa. Remaining permanently in the primal state without effort is Sahaja. Like Nirvikalpa, there is an internal as well as an external Savikalpa, depending on whether the disturbing thoughts are from outside or inside. 

Cohen: Should all vasanas, (natural habits) be completely overcome before Self Realization takes place, or some may remain for Self
Realization to destroy?

Bhagavan: Vasanas which do not obstruct Self Realization remain.
In Yoga Vasishta, two classes of vasanas are distinguished: those of enjoyment, those of bondage.  The former remain ever after Mukti is attained, but the latter are destroyed by it.  Attachment is the cause of binding vasanas, but enjoyment without attachement does not bind and continue even in Sahaja.

Mr. Cohen and Major Chadwick differed among themselves about whether or not meditator can be affected by physical disturbances during Nirvikalpa Samadhi.  They referred the matter to the Master.

Bhagavan:

Both of you are right.  The one refers to Kevala and the other to Sahaja Samadhi.  In both cases, the mind is immersed in the bliss
of the Self.  In the former, physical movements may cause disturbance to the meditator, because the mind has not completely died out, but is still alive and can, as after deep sleep, at any moment be active again. It is compared to a bucket, which, although completely submerged under water, can be pulled out by the other end of the rope, which is tied to the pulley.  Whereas in Sahaja, the mind, having sunk into the Self, like the bucket which has got drowned with its rope in the depth of the well, there remains nothing in it to be disturbed or pulled back to the world. One's activities then resemble that of a child who sucks its mother's milk in sleep, and is hardly aware of the feeding.

(Source: Guru Ramana. S.S. Cohen. Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamalai.)

Arunachala Siva.