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God, Guru and the Science
« on: January 25, 2009, 01:22:31 PM »
Bhagavan Ramana used to say that even one who does not believe
in God, has to believe in a guru, since he has been advised about the
philosophy of athiesm by someone who is his guru.  Even diehard
atheists trust for their philosophy a teacher, be he Ingersoll or Hegel. 

In this context, I read one interesting article in Mountain Path, July-
Sep 2008 issue.  There the author Dwaraka Nath Reddy writes about Mauni Boumik, a noted physist, who says:

I opened screen after screen to find him. Even after the last drapery,
there is no longer anybody home.  He is asking:  How than there be
anybody.  You are that 'anybody'.  How can you see yourself in a dark room?

While walking on the hills, I suddenly slip precariously, the inadvertent exclamation is 'My God!'.  Even Stephen Hawking does not say: "O my Gravity!" or O my motor neurons! or O my chromosomes!  In the moment of crisis, when time-sequenced reason cannot articulate, my nature turns to a supremacy that, by
inherent implication, is present and knowing and can (if it so wills)
respond and intercede.  By the same implication, Mr. Gravity, though present, knows not and therefore, kind though he be, cannot respond.  Mr. Gravity is acting on my body but cannot react to my mind. Why this premonition, that, may be, Mr. God can?

There is a time old limerick, author unknown.

There was a young man, who said, "God,
To you it must seem very odd,
That a tree as a tree
Simply ceases to be
When there is no one about in the quad?"

And God replied,
"Young man, your astonishment is odd,
I'am always shout in the quad
And that's why the tree
Never ceases to be
As observed by yours faithfully, God."

The essence of this limerick is not different  from the Zen koan,
which asks, "When a huge tree crashes in the depths of an uninhabited mountain, does the fall make a noise?"  After a pause, return to the dictum that says inter alia, what is not known to exist does not exist  Do not rush to rebuke angrily, "You mean to say ... " because the seers died not mean to say what you mean to say they meant to say!  Words can be used differently.  We shall, for the
present, forsake habit and listen with an open mind.

There is an old college bath room joke, slightly modified:

There was a writing on the wall:

God is dead, Nietszhe.

Next day, there was an addition to the first line:

Nietszhe is dead, God.

The third day, there was again something added:

Nietszhe and God are both living, ever present, without beginning and  an end.   - Gaudapada.

Arunachala Siva.             


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Re: God, Guru and the Science
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2009, 10:05:18 AM »
Dear srkudai,

Yes. God, Brahman, Siva, Narayana, Allah, Buddham, Arhat are all
names given for the sake of the convenience of reglionists and
philosophers.  The Self is beyond name and form and IS JUST IS.
To deny its existence, is to deny one's own self.

When some one asked Bhagavan Ramana, whether God is having
five faces and three eyes, fully naked and having two wives, Uma and Ganga (Siva), He replied:  "Why not?  When you can have two eyes, one nose and a body with two hands and two legs, why not
God?  Everything is bhavana.  All bhavana ceases when one can
experience Sad bhavana within. 

Arunachala Siva.