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"I-I" and the Absolute Consciousness
« on: January 24, 2009, 11:21:15 AM »
Under Question No. 9 in Who am I? that describes the path of enquiry for understanding the nature of the mind,  Bhagavan
Ramana answers:

"That which rises as 'I' in this body is the mind. If one inquires
as to where in the body, the thought of 'I' arises fist, one would
discover that it rises in the Heart.  That is the place of the mind's
origin. Even if one thinks constantly 'I-I', one will be led to that place."

On this point, once S.S. Cohen asked:

Vivekachoodamani speaks of the 'I-I' Consciousness as eternally shining in the Heart, but no one is aware of it.

Bhagavan said: 

Yes. All men without exception have it, in whatever state they may be -- the waking, dreaming and dreamless sleep, -- and whether they are conscious of it or not.

Cohen further asked:

In the Talks section of Sat-Darsana Bhasya*, the 'I-I' is referred
to as the Absolute Consciousness, yet Bhagavan once told me that
any realization before Sahaja Nirvikalpa is intellectual.

(* This is Daivarata's talks with Bhagavan Ramana.  This is different from Munagala Venkatramaiah's Talks.)

Bhagavan clarified:

Yes. the 'I-I' Consciousness is the Absolute. Though, it comes before Sahaja, there is in it, as in Sahaja itself the subtle intellect, the difference being that in the latter the sense of forms disappears, which is not the case in the former.

Cohen further asked:

Bhagavan! You said yesterday that there arises in the human body a hole as small as a pinpoint, from which consciousness always bubbles out to the body. Is it open or shut?

Bhagavan Ramana said:

It is always shut, being the knot of ignorance which ties the body to consciousness. When the mind drops in the temporary Kevala Nirvikalpa, it opens and shuts again.  In Sahaja, it remains always open.

Cohen further asked:

How is it during the experience of 'I-I' Consciousness? 

Bhagavan Ramana said:

This Consciousness is the key which opens it permanently.

On another occasion, Cohen asked:

Is the 'I-I' Consciousness Self Realization?

Bhagavan Ramana clarified:

It is a prelude to it. when it becomes permanent, (Sahaja), it is
Self Realization, Liberation.

(Source: Guru Ramana. S.S. Cohen. Sri Ramanasramam. Tiruvannamalai.)

Arunachala Siva.