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Subramanian.R

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Is Bhagavan Ramana the Guru?
« on: January 23, 2009, 01:24:55 PM »
There is the strange fact that Ramana Maharshi Himself refused
to be 'the Guru' of His devotees... or to be exact, He never initiated
any of them in the traditional way.  Some of them are known to
have left Him, though they loved and worshipped Him, because
they thought themselves unable to proceed spiritually without an
outer guru?  How is this strange attitude of His to be understood?
Did the sage shun the responsibility which the Guru is expected
to take over in respect to his devotee? According to tradition, the
guru w;ho accepts a disciple also takes over his karma, bad as
it may be.

No. Sri Ramana Maharshi was only being consistent.  He lived what
He taught.... the realization of the One without a second!  When there is only One, Brahman, where is the place for guru and disciple? A guru presupposes a disciple, a disciple a guru and they are invariably two.  Can there be two Selves, the one guiding the other? True guidance is possible only when the Self of the guru and that of
the disciple is one and the same Self.

The real function of the guru, higher and more efficient  than his teachings is his power of contact, removing the ignorance of the disciple by direct transmission.

This ofcourse, is possible only when the guru has himself realized the Truth.  The power is so 'real' that Ramana Maharshi always gave the greatest importance to Satsanga, the contact with the highly evolved souls, because their purity, compassion and wisdom are contagious like health and peace.

"The most potent form of work is silence.  However vast and emphatic the sastras may be, they fail in their effect.  The guru is quiet and peace prevails in all.  This silence is more vast and more emphatic than all the sastras put together." (Talks 398)

We have seen Dattatreya's case 24 Gurus, in which some of them
were animals and birds, not talking, not initiating and living in silence with no outward communication.  A guru, it is thus indicated, need not speak and the disciple understands from that guru's life, the potent message that is needed!

(Source: Hunting the 'I'. Lucy Carnelssen. Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamalai.)

Arunachala Siva.         

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Re: Is Bhagavan Ramana the Guru?
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2009, 10:16:55 AM »
Yes Bhagavan is the Guru.
But each one's expectation and concept of a Guru varies dramaticaly. Bhagavan would not have wanted people to have their own impression of what he was supposed to be doing regarding their spiritual development. He always talked about how important the grace of Guru is for Gnana, and would continue, that to vouchsafe this Grace was to do what the Guru had told (that is Self enquiry).
Rarely would there have been a person like Nayana who was so totally surrendered to Bhagvan. Such persons would not have required any confirmation from Bhagavan that he was the Guru or not.
Hence a person who has surrendered to Bhagavan or is diligently following the path of self enquiry need not ever doubt that Bhagavan is the Guru.

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Re: Is Bhagavan Ramana the Guru?
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2009, 10:27:36 AM »
Dear Disciple,

You are very correct.  Many people who came to Bhagavan Ramana expected Him to act like a conventional Guru, that is, initiation, diksha, telling makavakyas etc.,  He did not do any of these, because He felt that the Self being one without a second, there is no 'other'
thing, as a disciple.  He has also said, a Jnani considers everyone as Jnani, or part of Him, because there is no other thing as 'second.'
His diksha was mano-diksha, remembering a devotee for his upliftment, even though again, he had no mind!  His Presence did all the trick.  This Presence again need not be physical.  People who have not seen Him, have been guided by Him.  People who came to know Him, after His maha-nirvana have been guided by Him, merely based on their surrender and trust.  That way, as you have said,
Ganapati Muni and Muruganar are oustanding in their total trust and surrender to Him.     

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