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The Power of Jnani's Presence
« on: January 06, 2009, 02:25:17 PM »
Murugnar says in Verse 416 of Padamalai:

The Feet, (Padam, the feet or the Source), the peaceful refuge,
possesses the great renown that all that happens occurs only
through the power of his presence.

Many people had wonderful experiences in Bhagavan's presence.
Others found that if they appealed to Bhagavan for help with their
problems, satisfactory solutions, some of them seemingly miraculous,
would follow.  Bhagavan never claimed responsibility for any of these
phenomena. Instead, He said that there was a 'Sannidhi', a presence
in the vicinity of enlightened beings that took care of all the problems,
that were brought to their attention.  Bhagavan Himself was quite
adamant that He did nothing in these circumstances.  Narayna Iyer
elicited the following explanation from Bhagavan on this point.  The
word 'sankalpa' that appears several times in the exchange means
'will' or 'intetention'.  It is the desire to follow a particular course
of action.

One day when I was sitting by the side of Bhagavan, I felt so
miserable that I put the following question to Him.  'Is the sankalpa
of the Jnani not capable of warding off the destinies of the devotees?'

Bhagavan smiled and said:  "Does the Jnani have a sankalpa at all?
The Jivanmukta (liberated being) can have no sankalpas whatsoever.
It is just impossible."

I continued:  "Then what is the fate of all of us who pray to you
to have grace on us and save us?  Will we not be benefited or saved
by sitting in front of you, or by coming to you?"

Bhagavan turned graciously to me and said:  ".... a person's bad
karma will be considerably reduced while he is in the presence of
a Jnani.  A Jnani has no sankalpa but his Sannidhi, (presence), is the
most powerful force.  He need not have sankalpa, but his presiding
presence, the most powerful force, can do wonders, save souls,
give peace of mind, even give liberation to ripe souls.  Your prayers
are not answered by him, but absorbed by the presence. His presence
saves you, wards off the karma and gives you the boons as the case
may be, (but) involuntarily.  The Jnani does save the devotees, but not
by sankalpa, which is non-existent in him, only through his presiding
presence, his Sannidhi."

Verse 1287 of Padamalai reads:  The effulgence of Padam purifies
the mind with the splendour of grace such that its defilement is
removed.  Infusing it with a consciousness, that is the rarest ambrosia.

Verse 1353 of Padamalai reads: Padam, the truth, shines in the Heart,
stunning the attitude of mind that conducts itself by faith alone.

(Source:  Narayana Iyer, Mountain Path, 1968.
                  Padamalai, Muruganar, Volume 9 of Sri Ramana Jnana
                  Bodham, Ramana Kendra, Delhi.  Tr. and Commentary
                  by David Godman, Avadhuta Foundation, Boulder, Colorado,

Arunachala Siva.         


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Re: The Power of Jnani's Presence
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2009, 03:03:34 PM »
Dear Subramanian,
                         Jnani's Sannidhi has "automatic divine action".It is impersonal so there is no place for sankalpa.


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Re: The Power of Jnani's Presence
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2009, 03:16:49 PM »
Dear Dr. Raju,

Yes.  A Self realized person has no desires and actions.  All that happens
in his presence, is divine action.  Saiva Siddhantis call it as Sivam and
Sivai, co-existing, the Self and Its inherent power.  Sivai is also called in some Tevaram songs as Suddha Maya.  Kavyakanta Ganapati Sastri used to say that Bhagavan Ramana is Siva and His presence is Prachanda Chandi, who causes all actions including/miracles/gifts to devotees/grace/mercy.

Arunachala Siva.