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S.Subramanian

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Subtle modifications of the mind.
« on: November 23, 2008, 09:23:56 PM »
Even when the mind is withdrawn from external objects and attention is turned in, some subtle modifications in the form of empty space or dim light, etc, still persist.  As the mind has to be kept free from making intentions at this state, any intention to overcome these modifications will only result in further modification.  How to overcome this impasse?

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Re: Subtle modifications of the mind.
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2008, 11:36:02 PM »
first we should go into this sensations more often, and if mindlikes to make someting out of it ok.., when we are used to a certain awereness or understanding then we can proceed further....

so if you are fortunate to see yourself in the form of dim light or emptiness then go there more often, become used to it and transcend it...

one day the witness will start to shine in the middle of nowhere, and all the lights and sounds and feelings of bliss and no bliss will come and go as usual,but the witness is just witnessing, and this witness is here right now, seeing just here and now, beeing just here and now....

till this point we will all need to expereince, deepen the experience and go on from that point...the ability to relaxe into whatever happens grows naturally....the light of witness is percieved more constant, at any time we surrender and just sit and look at whatever happens the ability to rest as the witness will grow

thats the beauty of vichara, it is without our controll, and unfolds naturally every time we simply surrender to practice sadhana...the goal is not to avoid, once we start to search for the self.... the self has allready taken controll

the question who am I comes froma  place tha tis beyond mind, and if it is percieved and part of the midn then you can be sure that you are allready in the hands of the self, because the question comes from the self not from the mind
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Re: Subtle modifications of the mind.
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2008, 11:04:50 AM »
Dear S. Subramanian,

When the mind is turned inwards, and if forms of empty space and/or
dim light is experienced, it is okay.  Do not try to investigate these
forms.  Allow them to continue.  Or, ask, for whom these forms?
If these forms are mental projections, then they would go away,
because you are not the mind.  But if these forms are appearing
wiithout any mental activity, it is absolutely good.  On constant
practice, the Space that you experience will be filled with the Light
of Infinite Effulgence.

Arunachala Siva.     

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Re: Subtle modifications of the mind.
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2008, 09:19:17 PM »
Dear Subramanian.R,

     Thank you for your guidance.  I will continue to ask - rather see - to whom the forms occur.  I suppose these forms are only mental projections.

Dear matthias,

     The question 'Who am I?' comes only to the ego mind.  The self (which is awareness) does not ask questions.

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Re: Subtle modifications of the mind.
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2008, 10:34:36 AM »
Dear Matthias,

All questions, activities, emotions etc., are of the mind-ego complex.
The standard answer given by Bhagavan Ramana is:  Ask, to whom
these questions, emotions, activities occur.   Bhagavan Ramana says
that with this question, the mind will withdraw into its birth place, viz.,
the Self.  If the questions etc., persist, pursue the question.  Like the
soldiers from the enemy fortress, these will be annihilated one by one,
and at the end, the fortress will be in your hands.

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: Subtle modifications of the mind.
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2008, 11:01:20 PM »
I just wnated to say that the question "who am I" is a gift of grace, not everybody will recieve it, not everybody will understand in its true sense, and therefor this question is for myself not part of the ego complex (it is percieved with the mind) but the essence of the question is totally beyond mind...

if the question is percieved by the mind this means for myself that the Self is allready working and ready to be revealed---realized

and therefor the question is beyond mind, in this sense...we just hear ot use the words "who am I" but the essence of the question-answer is beyond mind

if it is percieved and questioned then we are allready lost to the self

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Re: Subtle modifications of the mind.
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2008, 10:34:53 AM »
Dear  Matthias,

You are correct.  In this context, I would like to place two sayings
of Bhagavan Ramana during his time in Tiruvannamalai.

1. For many go to the world.  Many go to the gods.  Only a few come
    to a Jnani.

2. He, (means, Arunachala or Himself), calls many people.  But only
     a few are chosen!

So, we have to be called and chosen also, to think about the question,
Who am I?

Arunachala Siva.